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Asexuality and Spirituality

Discussion in 'General Afterlife Discussions' started by Kurt, Aug 22, 2018.

  1. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I have heard that in the afterlife spirits are formless and genderless and fuse, yet lack sex.

    I have also heard that some may have earth like sex if it means the key to unlocking spirituality. For example, I have heard that a WW1 vet who was unfortunately castrated went into the afterlife depressed still and refusing to believe that his body could be whole again, until his spirit guide basically ripped his pants oven and fished it out this proving his soul was eternal and that no matter the physical damage your body undertakes it will be repaired. I hear that his afterlife was quite enjoyable after that.

    I hope this extends to involuntary celibates since I have seen some on here that look like they could use that kind of entrance to the afterlife

    (I promise I means no shade, I am mere laying out discourse)

    I have even heard that some incarnate solely for sex which makes me feel extra bad for those who end up as involuntary virgins.

    My point is... What about the asexuals. They kind of throw everything into whack. Are they here for just spiritual matters?

    Do they choose this persona in the pre life as a means to focus on third studies and work?

    Is it just hard to hit the books when you are a club going cockhound too busy howling at chic's?

    I am genuinely confused. This has thrown me off so bad.

    Can someone please enlighten me or share insight
     
  2. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Based on what's been taught and what's been reported by those living 'over there' that notion is incorrect.

    It's not something I've ever heard but then I don't necessarily access the same sources as you....

    I find it far-fetched to suggest a spirit helper would rip off the pants of someone in his/her care to show that a body could be whole again but the general point is made.

    These are issues there's no need for human concern about.

    Some fundamental understanding is desirable. Would we attempt to understand advanced mathematics or science without having first fully grasped the basic subjects? Considered in isolation and without such understanding the concept of sexuality (purely a physical attribute) might indeed be puzzling.
     
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  3. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member


    August 2nd 2017, you posted a thread called 'sex over there' (Mac).

    That was the source of the genderless soul/incarnate for sex thing.

    The WW1 vet story I came across years ago. It may have just been mediforical.

    You have a great point though.
     
  4. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    I think you'll find, Kurt, that nowhere have I suggested we are formless as discarnates. That would be totally contrary to everything taught and reported.

    As for gender it's bound to be different from the way it is here because sex organs don't define us as they do here. Additionally they aren't needed for procreation - that's just here in this particular physical world and maybe other physical dimensions - that's conjecture.

    My guess is that some discarnates will have their 'naughty bits' whereas others won't based totally on expectation and desire. Absolutely nobody NEEDS them. ;)
     
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  5. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I just reread it. You are right. I misread it.

    Thank you for the clarification. I apologise for the mistake.

    Asexuality though.... It's mind boggling in light of spiritualism.
     
  6. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Wait!!!! I just had an epiphany. What if those with rampant hypersexualities get Asexuality as a way for spiritual growth?

    For example, what if Bundy reincarnated as a asexual?

    That could be useful in his case.
     
  7. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    There's no certainty whether folk will return in a different gender. There's no knowing if they have already been here as a different gender. (or one of the variants) Most of us may be in just such a situation but we won't know until we pass over.
     
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  8. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Yes, but Asexuality has nothing to do with gender. It is the complete lack of libido. The lack of sexuality.
     
  9. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Kurt, really, absolutely nothing that you say here has any basis whatsoever in actual evidence! Please don't let it preoccupy you, since NONE of it is true.
     
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  10. genewardsmith

    genewardsmith Active Member

    Kurt, where are you getting this?
     
  11. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    That is hilarious Roberta!!!

    I am about to post 2 links leading to writings by you and Mac.

    Thus, it is evidence that YOU supplied and Mac supplied.

    In my eyes you both are more than very credible sources.
     
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  12. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    For the WW1 veteran story, I pulled it off of Roberta Grime's blog.

    Our versions are slightly different, which may indicate time spent, however I first found that story around 2015. The blog post was made this spring....

    The basis is the same.

    It is titled sex in the afterlife. If the link doesn't not work, simply type it in.

    WW1 Veteran Link

    : http://robertagrimes.com/afterlife-research/sex-in-the-afterlife

    Moving on to the other post (Macs) :

    Which clearly states that souls are genderless in nature and incarnate for sex.

    http://afterlifeforums.com/threads/sex-over-there.2322/

    My evidence is now here for everyone to see. Thank you GeneEdwardSmith.

    Roberta, I find it deeply insulting how you state that my observation has no basis in evidence when I used your evidence to derive these conclusions. I am 1i, not stupid. I could have done better work on the hollow hell theory which I will, but thank you.

    Please respond at your earliest convenience.
     
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  13. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    It should be remembered that although the thread is one I started, it wasn't I who wrote the opening posting, the words you are referring to above. ;)
     
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  14. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    You're right - good point. I was drifting, there, thinking you were wondering if humans may reincarnate as individuals of a gender different from in a previous life.

    I would guess that nothing prevents someone choosing a life of asexuality (or even homosexuality) in a similar way to choosing to live a life either as the same sex or a different one.
     
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  15. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    As the blog isn't part of ALF's forums I thought it might be helpful to read what was said. Roberta's blog goes:
    "There is a story told of a youth who had suffered a genital injury before he was killed in the First World War. His post-death body was created by his mind, and it still bore the injury that obsessed and depressed them. Even after corrective post-death surgery, he still thought himself to be less a man, so he was tucked into bed and put to sleep. He awakened to find a beautiful young woman in bed with him who initiated lovemaking, and he discovered that everything worked just fine!"

    That's somewhat different from what you thought you'd remembered, Kurt, viz:

    "For example, I have heard that a WW1 vet who was unfortunately castrated went into the afterlife depressed still and refusing to believe that his body could be whole again, until his spirit guide basically ripped his pants oven and fished it out this proving his soul was eternal and that no matter the physical damage your body undertakes it will be repaired. I hear that his afterlife was quite enjoyable after that."

    I take your point though. ;)

    The overall context of the story is important in my view. I think its message was less about sexuality in the afterlife than it was about how physical-body problems are left behind, albeit sometimes needing spiritual support and counselling to see and understand that.
     
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  16. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Agreed. Well then, there's one issue down. I originally took that as an acceptable meaning, I just could not tell whether or not it could coexist with the teachings of spirit guide sparrows.

    The only thing that remains to be seen is whether or not spirit guide sparrows teachings about sex could coexist with asexuality.

    If souls incarnate for it then why do some souls not?

    Is it even important?
     
  17. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    You are correct.
     
  18. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Correct about which issue? :confused:
     
  19. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Kurt, as I have told you privately, I was exhausted last night. I am working so hard at this point that for me six hours' sleep is an achievement. And I have already apologized to you. But i realize now that all of this has been a good thing because your angry reaction frees me to make a larger and very important point to everyone!

    Dear beautiful friends, the greater reality is much more varied and much more complicated than is this limited reality, and as yet what we have - while it is all beautiful and amazingly consistent - is just a few random glimpses. For someone to do quick reading in secondary sources, as Kurt has done here, and then to generalize and speculate is not just useless, but it is actively counterproductive! If you want to even begin to understand what ACTUALLY is going on, you will have to devote an intensive year - or, better, a lot of time over several years - and read very widely, including in original sources. What Kurt is doing is the equivalent of an extra-terrestrial reading one newspaper and maybe one good historical novel and then assuming that he gets enough about human life on earth to begin to speculate sensibly about it!

    Kurt, dear one, I am sorry, but the very way in which you have used what I wrote indicates that you need to do a lot more study before you will begin to understand anything. For example, "in the afterlife spirits are formless and genderless and fuse, yet lack sex" is a statement that is altogether wrong, no matter where you heard it! Yes, apparently without most mind-created illusions we default to being sparks of light; but we seem generally to prefer more solidity. In the afterlife - especially right after death - we feel more physically real than we feel here, and we seem always to exhibit some gender characteristics. Even extremely high-level beings who very rarely appear on earth will have bodies - reportedly, theirs glow with some color (usually gold) - and while we look more androgynous, we still give the impression of having a gender. This is what is true, based on my nearly half-century of research! Your statement is not only wrong, but it is seriously misleading to those who come here to browse and to learn.

    And your saying "his spirit guide basically ripped his pants oven and fished it out this proving his soul was eternal" - if indeed I was your source - is an appalling distortion that utterly misrepresents how our spirit guides relate to us! Your saying "I hear that his afterlife was quite enjoyable after that" is pure speculation, since you certainly did not hear it from me! If you are referring to my story about the one description I ever have read about afterlife sex in the early literature, then I had better tell it again now since you have so completely misrepresented that story. This is from my blog post entitled "Sex in the Afterlife," posted on October 21, 2014:

    There is a story told of a youth who had suffered a genital injury before he was killed in the First World War. His post-death body was created by his mind, and it still bore the injury that obsessed and depressed them. Even after corrective post-death surgery, he still thought himself to be less a man, so he was tucked into bed and put to sleep. He awakened to find a beautiful young woman in bed with him who initiated lovemaking, and he discovered that everything worked just fine!

    What was most wonderful about this story was the love and concern of the discarnates who were helping this man, the fact that they first made him think they were surgically adding the parts that his mind had subtracted and making his body again perfect (this might be the first post-death surgery in the literature), and the fact that they and some comely female spirit were willing to resort to actually helping him to prove in bed that he really was whole, when all else failed to convince him! What on earth does this wonderful story of love and healing have to do with what you said above?

    Kurt, what you said gets everything wrong! It makes the afterlife seem mechanical, subtracting what is most extraordinary about it: everything there is based in much more love than we can even imagine. It ignores the fact that our own minds create our post-death bodies, including with the imperfections that they might have had in life (for most, these gradually are corrected as our minds come to understand that we are past the imperfections). It implies that our spirit guides can act crudely and disrespectfully, when in fact each of us is treated with a reverent love and respect that would seem extreme here. And it suggests that this young man went on to live a randy post-death life, when there is abundant evidence that the opposite would have been true!

    Yes, there is a body-melding thing that the dead do which we are given to understand is much better than sex. And we can do it at any time, and with anyone! As best we can determine, it produces an intense whole-body experience that is better than an orgasm. OMG, who could beat that?? The accounts that we have suggest that while standing up, one person "steps into" the body of the other - solid-seeming bodies, mind you - and they merge, which merger produces this ecstasy. It is significant to me that after the novelty wears off, they don't seem to do it so much anymore, so varied and wonderful are all the other pleasures there! And what is most important about the fact that the dead can have whole-body orgasms is the LOVE for us that it illustrates! We don't have sex drives, so we are given something even better. EACH OF US IS INFINITELY LOVED! If you were to ask me to sum up all my lifetime of research, that would be how I would do it. You, dear beloved friend, are much more loved than you can ever imagine! And unless you have read enough of the literature to be utterly struck by that fact, then you really don't know anything about the afterlife at all.
     
  20. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    blog quote: "There is a story told of a youth who had suffered a genital injury before he was killed in the First World War. His post-death body was created by his mind, and it still bore the injury that obsessed and depressed them. Even after corrective post-death surgery, he still thought himself to be less a man, so he was tucked into bed and put to sleep. He awakened to find a beautiful young woman in bed with him who initiated lovemaking, and he discovered that everything worked just fine!"

    I'm left with concern concerning the claim there had been (quote) "...corrective post-death surgery". Does that mean surgery after his death and carried out in this dimension? That sounds decidedly odd but any notion of surgery being carried out in the post-death dimension sounds even more so. Maybe if we had the full context of that story I'd understand.

    As for a discarnate female initiating actual sexual intercourse with the soldier I shake my head in disbelief. But I could conceive of his undergoing dream-like therapy that would help restore the emotional imbalance the soldier had been left with, presumably as a consequence of military action.
     
  21. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    quote: "EACH OF US IS INFINITELY LOVED! If you were to ask me to sum up all my lifetime of research, that would be how I would do it. You, dear beloved friend, are much more loved than you can ever imagine! And unless you have read enough of the literature to be utterly struck by that fact, then you really don't know anything about the afterlife at all."

    The last words of the last sentence sum up many a real-life situation.... Trying to help seekers who come here to ALF with little, or no, understanding/knowledge of the fundamentals is a very hard task at times. I've used a similar comparison before - it's like trying to explain advanced mathematics to an individual who has little grasp of basic math. The details of what happens in the so-called afterlife can be discussed, debated and argued about but the those details need an overall context for someone to appreciate their significance.

    I would argue a general point that for us to be at our most receptive we may have to have had an experience of some kind - often that of bereavement - to provide a key that opens a door through which we walk and begin our investigation into life, death and what follows.
     
  22. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    It was indeed post-death surgery. I think this is the first reported instance of it, but apparently it is not that uncommon! If your mind creates a defective post-death body that mimics your defective pre-death body and you can't be talked out of the belief that you remain damaged, they will cheerfully tell you that of course you are still damaged, but fortunately you can have surgery to cure it! YAYY!! They take you to an operating room that looks as you would expect it to look, introduce you to doctors in scrubs or however else you would expect them to look, give you what they tell you is anesthesia but you will remain awake and able to observe what is happening, and then go about the surgery. They attach a new leg, fix ears, attach a penis, or do whatever, and then proclaim you to be CURED by that surgery! And apparently this nearly always works, but in the case of our young soldier friend just getting his equipment back wasn't enough for him to feel healed. And in that situation, the loving thing to do was to demonstrate to him that he really was all better! Don't get caught up in earth-morality, dear Mac, since you know that in the afterlife love overrides everything else. I'm sure that the sweet young thing who helped him to understand that he truly was whole was delighted to be able to help him that way!
     
  23. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    I see a few issue with what you have stated. First of all, you never "contacted me privately about anything"

    Second of all, I go for 4 hrs. Of sleep, so 6 hours is more than a blessing.

    Third, you never apologized to me for anything at all.

    Fourth, this is not an angry reaction. The only angry reaction was your own. Blatant falsehoods are another angry reaction such as apocryphal apologies.

    Fith, I read a lot more than you think I do. I just like to have talking points about certain things I read, which you have consistently been unable to understand.

    If you even read what I wrote you would know that I never claimed you penned the formless/genderless claim. Perhaps you should dedicate a few quick minute re reads to what you see? Especially with me instead of taking 2 glances and assuming the rest.

    I am utterly struck at things beyond pure love Roberta. Love is greatly cheapend in this lifeline. Non-existent. What blows me away is the possibility of REST and FUN and PLATONIC LOVE.

    And yes, I might have used a twisted source. I seriously cannot remember who I read. I try to stick with you since you are. About as pure as people can get.

    You comparing my studies to an alien reading a historical novel is another example of an insult.

    Please read what I write before replying.
     
  24. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    If it helps at all Roberta I am a philosopher. Expect for tough menial questions. They lead to a bigger picture. Show me the private correspondence. I sent an email requesting answers....
     
  25. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Literal post-death surgery in the etheric? It does not appeal to my reason, Roberta.... Were it one of numerous situations explained by sources widely accepted as spiritually-evolved I'd be more inclined to heed what's been said. Is it that situation?

    Please don't think, though, that I'm hampered by being in any way caught up in so-called earth morality - after decades of working life in the coal industry I doubt that anyone who knows me would think that for one moment. ;) :D I have no concern about a female apparently 'accommodating' a man in the way reported and wouldn't if it were in this world and done willingly! But whether there's an actual attachment of an organ (whose organ would that be if your physical one had been blown-off?) or a re-attachment of a non-functioning one using surgical techniques similar to those we know about here I have yet to be persuaded about.

    I concede that a spiritually-advanced discarnate might have specialised knowledge of how to provide the conditions needed to simulate 'earth-sex' but in my view it's just as likely what occurred was at least partially a simulation.
     
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  26. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Wait so if we dig his corpse up hell have one?

    Maybe he'll have a grin too!!!

    ;):)
     
  27. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    Well I just got the email, so I guess you did apologize, but still. Apologies are accepted.
     
  28. RobertaGrimes

    RobertaGrimes Administrator

    Oy, you sent me an email and I responded to it!

    Kurt, this is ridiculous. I am not angry with you at all, and I would not have felt empowered to write what I wrote for general consumption if you had not attacked me in your email which insisted that your account of the WWI soldier was an accurate representation of the story that I told in that blog post. Clearly, it was not. Clearly, you did not closely read and understand the import of that story. I stand by everything that I said above. Everything. If it offends you, then I apologize for offending you and I suggest that you might as you grow older become less prickly and more patient with the fact that both you and I still have much to learn!
     
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  29. Kurt

    Kurt Active Member

    You did send the email. I just got it. I did not attack you in the email, I requested a review.

    I did critique you on the forum however.

    Thanks for the apology.

    Thanks for the review.

    Based on the vet and what you said, I consider the hollow hell theory to be answered satisfyingly.

    IF YOUR MIND IS TORTURED YOU WILL BE SAVED BY HIGHER LEVEL BEINGS

    I am also gathering that the spirit guide sparrows is a complete fraud, thus asexuality is irrelevant.

    If I am correct please inform me.

    If not, please enlighten me.
     
  30. mac

    mac senior member Staff Member

    Just for the record I had earlier pointed out the disparity between the blog text (which I also quoted) and Kurt's inaccurate memory of it - see posting #15. We oldies - well this oldie! - recognise that we may mis-remember details and may blame our age for it whereas young uns don't always remember either but they can't blame their age and don't concern themselves when they forget. (it appears) :rolleyes:

    On another, rather more light-hearted, tack I used to blame my age (20 years ago) for causing me to work hard to remember the names of the kids I taught. Then one day I sat with a group of 6 year olds and they, too, were getting one anothers' names wrong! I felt so relieved that even my little lovelies were getting the names wrong even of friends they were with all day, every day! :D
     
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