Nosso Lar - My Impressions

[BruceAdama]

Hey, all... I finally just finished watching the English version of Nosso Lar (Our Home), and figured I would post my thoughts on it here, as well as the questions that remain in my mind. First off, I will start with the things that I liked about the film, and its depiction of the afterlife.

First off, this is a very visually beautiful film. It's artistically and tastefully directed and shot, and the actors are all extremely good in their craft... they did a great casting job here. I loved the production design of the Our Home city, and all the important buildings within it... all very nice and clean. The scene with the trumpeting Angels descending above the main building was particularly well-executed and powerful.

I liked how Our Home was depicted as being so similar to Earth that it, too, has a day and a night, and how we can still enjoy water and some form of food, though I admit I wasn't real big on the whole "nothing but soup" thing... I'd have liked to have seen a huge feast, but oh, well... at least we can still enjoy water, which is a big thing with me. I liked the fact that we can have houses, but I wish there had been more diversity in how the homes looked, since I would imagine that when you get a house, you can make it look like whatever you want as your "dream home", for lack of a better term. But I understand that this was likely just due to the limits of a film budget, so it's cool. I liked how we can always view the Earth, but I would have loved to have seen some of the other worlds that our God has made depicted in the film, if even only in the form of one of those holographic globes, just to drive home the fact that Earth isn't the only world our God has created. Again, I realize this was likely due to budget, and no real actual need. Overall, I loved just how "tangible" everything felt in the afterlife, meaning how "physical" everything seemed... you can actually touch and feel things, smell flowers, drink and taste water, feel the breeze on you, etc. I know that in almost all the NDE accounts I've read, that we supposedly get translucent bodies that gradually lose their humanoid form. I vehemently hope this is not the case, because even though I'm not a physical body anymore, I would hate to lose this basic form, and I very much hate the idea of a translucent body... that's just not something I want at all, in any way. So I was glad that this film's VFX department didn't try to drastically alter the way we look in the afterlife... I appreciated that. I also liked how we can walk to and from various locations, rather than the "instantaneous" travel so often described in NDE's... again, that's not something I would want... I enjoy walking, and taking the time to explore new vistas, and my surroundings, and to savor them. I also very much enjoyed the film's musical score, and the fact that we see some degree of fog in parts of the afterlife, implying that various weather is possible.

I felt drawn to the character of Eloisa quite a bit, mostly because she was so independent of mind. I could relate to and appreciate the fact that she had the courage to ask questions, and question the way things are. After all, is that not the essence of free will? Although she did have an attitude about her, and came off as a bit "bitchy", I liked her for the reasons I stated... for her being a somewhat rebellious spirit, and questioning why she should go along with the way things are "just because". In my eyes, that took courage, and I respected her for it, because the truth is, she has every right to ask any questions she wants, and expect answers to them. I can respect her desire to want to do things on her own terms, and not anyone else's... again, IMO, that's the essence of free will, and if you attempt to stifle that, you're impeding free will, and dictating to that individual, which IMO, isn't right.

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[BruceAdama]

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Now for the things I didn't like or understand, and some of the questions the film aroused in me.

Since we're on the subject of Eloisa, I'll start there... I didn't like how her attempts at questioning things and her demands to return were stifled, and met with admonition... again, this strikes me as the opposite of respecting free will and choice, and it just doesn't sit well with me. I don't take kindly to that sort of mental censorship. Just because God may not like what someone has to say to him, doesn't give him the right to overpower and censor those thoughts, and to do so quite frankly makes God out to be a coward, who is too weak to be faced with or tolerate any form of opposing viewpoint other than his own, and rather than facing that conflicting viewpoint, and addressing it, he chooses simply to wholly ignore it. Such minuscule mindsets I hold no respect for. God chose to create Eloisa, and it is his responsibility to address her needs, and respect her. If you don't want a debate, or a challenge, then don't put yourself in the position where you may have to face on in the first place. God's attempt to punish her for trying to return to the Earth made him seem vindictive, small, and petty. Instead of "teaching her a lesson", he could have easily let her go down, to see for herself that she is invisible to the Earth-realm, which she could then start to understand on her own. But to inflict pain and punishment on her like we saw came off as being simple sadism on God's part. Again, I don't respect that, so more points in my book for Eloisa.

I didn't like the whole "underground chambers" hospital thing... to me it seemed pointless. I could understand making it look that way of someone from King Henry's time had died, and woken up in the afterlife, but why not just have the hospital look like one from the 1920's? Either have it look "heavenly", or have it look period-specific, so the person who died can relate to it, but don't go from super-futuristic to Middle-Ages... that just didn't sit well with me, and as a viewer, took me out of the moment... I didn't find it believable. I also didn't like how all the clothes were just white, or almost all-white... yes, I know that in various NDE's, white robe-like clothes are described... but in a realm where supposedly colors so vivid that they put all Earth colors to shame are so abundant, having everyone wear nothing but white is not only mundane, but comes across as kind of cultish, IMO. Plus, I personally hate white, lol... if it were me, I'd wear colors. White is fine for the city buildings, but I like to have choice when it comes to what I wear. I also wasn't too crazy about the idea that you have to work for years to get a house of your own, since that's pretty much what you have to do here, but whatever... seeing as how we can "live" for centuries upon centuries there, I don't really care, as long as I can "make" the house that I want when the time comes. As for understanding... even after seeing this film in English, I think I missed a couple things. First off, when Andre watches his own death, and sees his mother's spirit... I don't really understand what that scene is trying to convey... the look on his mother's face is... strange, so IDK if she's feeling his sorrow and pain, or if she's channeling her energy to help him, or what... I wish there had been dialogue in that scene to explain it a bit more.

As can already be expected, I wasn't too big on the whole Reincarnation Ministry, lol. As much as I disagree with the notion that we choose to come back, and pick our lives, granted, based only on my own individual experience/memory, I oddly did kind of like the scene where Dona Laura and the others go to be reborn... on a simply emotional level, it hit a nerve, because I realized at that moment that Lisias was about to basically "lose" his mother for good. I mean, for all intents and purposes, from their POV, Dona Laura was going to "die", and be born again on Earth, so in an odd way, Lisias was basically watching his mother intentionally "kill" herself, because from that point on, she would no longer be Dona Laura, and when she dies again on Earth, she will arrive in Our Home as somebody else's mother, so I could understand Lisias's pain. The scene forced me to begin to think about Dona Laura as a parent would their small infant child... will she have a good life... will she be safe... will she have good parents, and be loved? All sorts of questions for her well-being, and knowing that those in the afterlife are pretty powerless to ensure that things always go well for her. Also sadness, from the realization that this mature woman (who is quite hot for her age, BTW) is very soon going to be reduced to nothing more than an infant child, devoid of any knowledge or memories, and will have to basically start from scratch.

Which all brings me to the most basic and fundamental problem I have with the whole reincarnation idea, and the notion that we do it to gain knowledge and learn. In all the NDE accounts I've read, it is stated that when we're born, there is a "veil of forgetfulness" over our minds, so that we don't recall anything of where we're from, or what our purpose is. If that is so, then it is quite stupid, because if we live life to learn lessons, we should learn them, and share that knowledge with all in the afterlife realm, so that everyone benefits from the experience, and it need not be repeated. But to intentionally cloud knowledge for the sole purpose of having to repeat lessons over and over again makes absolutely no sense to me... it's like a child repeating the same grade over and over and over and over again... it's useless and redundant. As I said before, if someone else wants to learn a specific lesson, fine... let them come down here and do it... but don't impose a veil of forgetfulness around us to force us to forget what we've learned. The veil is also a stupid idea, when you realize just how counterproductive it is to God's very plan... supposedly, God wants us all to learn to love each other, and to work together. Fine. If that is his message, why not send it down to Earth with us? Nothing would be lost, and it would still be a social experiment in learning, when you consider that even though we would have the knowledge of what God himself wants, we also still have free will, so it still would boil down to whether or not we want to abide by it. But regardless... at least we would know, and wouldn't have to repeat that which has already been done.

Anyway... those are my thoughts and views, after having seen the movie. Feel free to comment and question as you see fit.

[Truth seeker]

its been said many times before that there are universal laws, and that laws always work we like it or not,like the law of gravity if you jump from a building dont blame god because you died......

so its the law of causse and effect, eloisa choosed to leave nosso lar, nobody did stop her but she paid the price,she didnt have permanent damage but now she knows better.....almost all your questions have been answered before here..I will let others who articulate better than me answer them..

P.S. Im glad you liked the movie, you should read the book it have many things that didnt make it on the book..like the mom of andre luis deciding to reincarnate...

[BruceAdama]

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Well like I said... I think God could have showed her the consequences with much more impact by letting her go back and realize that there's nothing she can do to change her state... he didn't have to cause her pain and suffering to teach her a lesson. Just my opinion, as always.

[Roberta Grimes]

(Sorry - double-posted.)

[Roberta Grimes]

Wow, dear Bruce, you may not realize it but you are asking some great questions right off the bat! I haven't seen this film - nor do I plan to see it - but there is extensive century-old afterlife evidence that offers answers to the questions that this movie apparently raises. Based upon what I have read, it gets a lot of stuff wrong (fortunately!).

I liked how Our Home was depicted as being so similar to Earth that it, too, has a day and a night, and how we can still enjoy water and some form of food, though I admit I wasn't real big on the whole "nothing but soup" thing... I'd have liked to have seen a huge feast, but oh, well... at least we can still enjoy water, which is a big thing with me. I liked the fact that we can have houses, but I wish there had been more diversity in how the homes looked, since I would imagine that when you get a house, you can make it look like whatever you want as your "dream home", for lack of a better term. But I understand that this was likely just due to the limits of a film budget, so it's cool. I liked how we can always view the Earth, but I would have loved to have seen some of the other worlds that our God has made depicted in the film, if even only in the form of one of those holographic globes, just to drive home the fact that Earth isn't the only world our God has created. Again, I realize this was likely due to budget, and no real actual need. Overall, I loved just how "tangible" everything felt in the afterlife, meaning how "physical" everything seemed... you can actually touch and feel things, smell flowers, drink and taste water, feel the breeze on you, etc. I know that in almost all the NDE accounts I've read, that we supposedly get translucent bodies that gradually lose their humanoid form. I vehemently hope this is not the case, because even though I'm not a physical body anymore, I would hate to lose this basic form, and I very much hate the idea of a translucent body... that's just not something I want at all, in any way. So I was glad that this film's VFX department didn't try to drastically alter the way we look in the afterlife... I appreciated that. I also liked how we can walk to and from various locations, rather than the "instantaneous" travel so often described in NDE's... again, that's not something I would want... I enjoy walking, and taking the time to explore new vistas, and my surroundings, and to savor them. I also very much enjoyed the film's musical score, and the fact that we see some degree of fog in parts of the afterlife, implying that various weather is possible.

To wit:

1) We have no physical need to eat or drink, but we can eat or drink what we like for so long as we want to do that. "Nothing but soup" is nonsense. There are tales of great welcoming feasts! The Summerland apparently is designed around satisfying our every earthly wish, so there is no lack there, especially at first. I should add that by most accounts we pretty quickly become bored with eating - we don't feel hunger, and there is a lot else to do! - so few of us eat or drink for long. Our Summerland bodies are nourished by the energy given off by the water and the foliage, so soon we are bathing in lakes (and coming out dry) and pressing our faces into flowers to inhale their wonderfully-scented essence. And feeling happily satisfied with that.

2) Our bodies and all the matter around us are as solid as earth-matter, but of a finer stuff. Think of something like richly-colored alabaster. Some of the dead report that their arm (for example) is a bit translucent in some lights, although this fact doesn't seem to bother them. Based upon all the evidence I have read, we seem to be able to stay with earth-like solidity for so long as that is important to us.

3) We can walk, but most travel beyond a few steps is by mind, and it is instantaneous. Don't let this freak you out! Walking always is optional, even for long distances; but once we learn to travel by mind, most people seem to do that most of the time.

4) The default environment is constant, diffuse white light, but we can have night or weather if we want it. We have no need to sleep, so most people seem to prefer just the constant white light (actually brighter than sunlight) which is the norm there. Some folks want night, and they can have that for the wishing - they even can have the illusion of moon and stars. Some like rain or a snowstorm, and they can have that, too.

5) There are no heavenly bodies. This often surprises the recently-dead, but the default setting there appears to be no sun or moon - and certainly no view of the earth. I would imagine, though, that if we wanted to see such things in the heavens, they would be made to appear for us.

6) The hospitals there are apparently either traditional stone buildings with individual rooms, or breezy open pavilions surrounded by gardens. I tend to think that the pavilions are more common. Many people enter the Summerland by waking up in a hospital bed with loved ones around them, often because they were very ill when they died or they suffered some emotional trauma in the death process.

7) Our homes there are often replicas of our favorite earth-homes. Indeed, they are tailored to suit each of us, right down to the furniture and the old, familiar books on the shelves!

- Of course, all of this assumes a reasonably advanced being who has lived a good life. We are talking Level Three at least. It does appear, though, that most of us will be entering the Summerland at these levels! I will take a stab at answering your next post as well, dear Bruce - have to leave for just a bit....

[BruceAdama]

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Dear Roberta,

Thank you for the wonderful reply! To start, I admit that the whole "nothing but soup" thing is probably my fault, since that is all I observed anyone eat in the film... so that doesn't mean that it's a rule... so my apologies for not articulating that well.

As for the rest... for once, no argument from me at all. I sincerely do hope all you've said is true, because I both agree with and like all of what you've said. I sincerely do hope that things feel just as solid and tangible there, as they do here, including our bodies. And nothing at all would make me happier than to be able to dwell in my dream home, looking just the way I want it, and filled with the things I want in it.

[BruceAdama]

Roberta, now that I ponder your reply more, let me just offer this as well. You are quite right that as spirits, we don't "need" to eat or drink, but Roberta, let me ask you this, if I may:

Assuming, for the sake of argument that in the afterlife, we can visit any place we want, including the other worlds that God has created, wouldn't it be fun to avail yourself of opportunities that come with that which you could never have taken advantage of in your Earthly life, like sampling the foods and drinks from other worlds, or exploring their vistas and cities? I for one would. Anyway, I figured that just because we don't need to eat, doesn't mean we shouldn't, or wouldn't have an opportunity to.

[Truth seeker]

Dear Roberta I just want to clarify the soup thing, in one scene one of the caracthers oferred soup to others and said that sorry beacause its the only thing she have avalaible right now, its not saying that its the only thing we are gonna eat forever


In the book there are many things not explained in the movie like that once was like a problem with the people who preparated the food, (this remind me of the fact that we keep our personalities, likes and dislikes in the afterlife even if we are stubborns) Im making the story short but there was a reasson why that happened, but the interesting thing


beings from higher spheres descended to teach the persons to absorb nutrients from the atmosphere, and some didnt like it because they said that this was a transitory city and that it wasnt fair to take away the food from their environment...there was a groups of people that didnt want things to change specially the scientists and mathematics ( they are as stubborn like here haha)...for months the eating was reduced to inhalation of nutrients from the atmosphere trough the breathing and water...in the end all was forgiven...

Other part it read that the ill newcomers feelt the necesity to eat..


Well it says something like that I dont want to translate the book its very long

Sorry for any typos

[Roberta Grimes]

Dear Bruce, to reply to your second post:

1) The love for each of us in the afterlife levels is limitless. I don't know the details of Eloisa's experiences in the movie, but nowhere in any of the evidence is there any sense of punishment (other than self-punishment), sadism, or anything except infinite love. All of that was unfortunate fake movie-drama. After all, showing just perfection might be boring!

2) Our minds there are much more powerful. Those of us who have attained a certain spiritual level have a level of personal autonomy that those of us in this strictly regimented world cannot imagine; and since our minds there are so powerful, we often can produce whatever we like, just for the wishing.

3) Most of us wear what look like angel-tunics in pastel-colored, luminescent fabrics. Or white. (Sorry about that, Bruce!) We don't have to wear these "spirit garments," however - we seem to be able to dress as we like.

4) There is no "work" as we understand it. No money. No need to earn our homes, or indeed to earn anything. On the other hand, though, there is very important work to be done in helping others; and after our initial period in the Summerland, most of us choose some primary work of this sort to do, at least for awhile. Most of what we hear about this process suggests frustration on the part of the recently-dead because they often want to do a lot more; but they are counseled to choose just one primary area of effort at first - and sometimes they are strongly encouraged toward doing something for which they seem particularly well-suited.

5) The great public buildings are overwhelmingly beautiful. They seem to represent various periods of earth-time - including what are probably times far in the future - and generally they are surrounded by colorful gardens. Cities there seem to be formal clusters of these buildings, but without much (or any) residential aspect and no suburbs. Beyond the cities, our homes are generally widely scattered - we can easily travel by mind, after all!

6) We are co-equal beings there. It doesn't matter who was parent or child or enemy or friend in the most recent lifetime. Once we are there, we are all young-adults within soul-groups that have lived many lives together in various capacities. So the sadness of a child watching a mother "dying" here in order to be reborn on earth really doesn't ever seem to happen. Instead, our close friends often enjoy planning the details of their next lifetimes with us - this process seems to be an intense and exciting kind of fun!

7) We forget specifics from lifetime to lifetime, but we do keep the skills that we have learned. Think of it as having exercised muscles, dear friend - we might forget how we got such strong spiritual biceps, but there they are, ready to help us make the most of this new lifetime. Amnesia for prior lives seems to be essential in order to keep us from being distracted by yearning for prior lives' people or property, and also so we will not focus on the fact that this is just another day in school. But those of us who have many other lifetimes under our belt do come in much better prepared for further growth.

8) Actually, God has told us that we are here to learn to love and forgive. He has said so repeatedly! Read the Gospels. Read the original teachings of every great being who has started a prominent world religion, and you will see the same things said over and over.

- I hope this helps. If you have other questions, don't hesitate to ask them ;-).