Higgs-Boson breakthrough

[Matty Mo]

So I was curious as to how people on the boards felt about the recent Higgs-Boson breakthrough or the so-called God particle finding. I listened to Roberta's interview with Andrew on Blog Talk radio from Aug. 30th, 2011. Roberta mentioned scientist's using super colliders and this stoked my memory about the recent discovery.

How do those on the board feel about this discovery? For scientists, the discovery could be used as the beginning of a new era of particle physics, "physics beyond boundaries" as one site put it.

“These discoveries really take thousands of people working together,” Professor of Physics Greg Landsberg said. “This is really a triumph for science, not a triumph for individuals — really a triumph for all of civilization.”

I was excited to read about some of the possibilities for future research i.e. finding alternate dimensions. What say you AL forums? Does this discovery change or reinforce your beliefs? Anyone with more insight on this discovery have anything they are excited about regarding future research?

[Roberta Grimes]

Dear friend, after having spent billions of dollars and decades of their careers in this research, it was inevitable that they would find something. I haven't been able to do much reading about their "discovery" just yet, but apparently they have found some signature traces of something which kind of look like what they had expected the Higgs boson would look like. (For those who are scratching their heads, since scientists have never found a solid subatomic particle, they have postulated that there must be a teensier particle called the Higgs boson, so matter as they have long understood it could have mass as they have long understood it). Frankly, the more they trumpet this as a big discovery, the more I see it as tail-covering. But I would love for it to be more than that!!

(Love your avatar, by the way!)

[vic smyth]

The one thing that I really appreciate about science is that theories are constantly changing based on new data. Let's see how long this one lasts before it gets refuted or superceded by a new God particle.

With Lovingkindness (metta),
vic

[Truth seeker]

I read this on the victor zammit afterlife newsletter and thought was interesting:


COMMENTARY: ARE THE WORLD SCIENTISTS GOING MAD?

These materialist scientists are spending over SIXTEEN THOUSAND MILLION dollars ($16.5 BILLION) in Europe on the CERN Hadron Collider Project to try to test the predictions of different theories of particle physics. But even if they are successful their results will not change the way human beings behave. They will not reduce crime, will not radically change the thinking or vision of the world leaders. The results will not morally, spiritually or physically benefit people. What a waste!

Yet for fraction of a fraction of that huge amount- for say THREE MILLION DOLLARS ($3million)- afterlife scientists would have the capacity, the skills to permanently revolutionize mankind's thinking by scientifically investigating physical and materialization mediumship - the repeatedly tested most sensational objective and repeatable evidence on planet earth to-day. Guaranteed these scientists will come to the conclusion I came to: that afterlife intelligences (spirits) can materialize and have a full physical body. They can touch us, talk to us - as if they were talking to close friend, embrace loved ones. They can tell us a great deal about what is happening in the afterlife dimension. There has been repeated scientific examination of materializations.

So, instead of spending the huge amount - $16.5 BILLION on something that will be of questionable practical benefit, the world scientists must get together to independently investigate the current most sensational evidence for the afterlife.
The sensational objective and repeatable evidence for the afterlife could ultimately, give the people of the world the critical WISIDOM and KNOWLEDGE that life continues and that we are accountable for what we do on planet Earth.

[TheEscapist]

I think its nice they may have found something. But I agree with the article Truth Server quoted. This isn't going to benefit mankind as a whole. I mean yes they may be one inch closer to finding out about how the universe came about. But that isn't going to help the parents who lost their son, the girl who feels trapped in her own hell on Earth, or anyone else's real problems for that matter. So it is kind of a waste of money and energy in my book.

[Eli]

I'd hate to play devil's advocate here, but an inch closer to how the universe came about is an inch closer to not necessarily how the universe came about, but other things as well. I mean, think about it. Without the theory of gravity, we never would have developed travel by plane. The limits for the particle are quite limitless at this point, we can't really say. But I do agree with you all about why they're not funding after life study. But It could completely backfire. Say there was undeniable proof (HYPOTHETICALLY, guys) that life was just eternal oblivion after death. I know I wouldn't be happy.

[Matty Mo]

I'd hate to play devil's advocate here, but an inch closer to how the universe came about is an inch closer to not necessarily how the universe came about, but other things as well. I mean, think about it. Without the theory of gravity, we never would have developed travel by plane. The limits for the particle are quite limitless at this point, we can't really say. But I do agree with you all about why they're not funding after life study. But It could completely backfire. Say there was undeniable proof (HYPOTHETICALLY, guys) that life was just eternal oblivion after death. I know I wouldn't be happy.

I think there's some exciting things that could be found surrounding this. From a scientific standpoint I don't think it's bad. Now if they take it to the level where they're trying to disprove a God/Afterlife, I'm with you thinking this would not be a good thing. I read that this supposedly lays claims to how the universe was formed, so that's supposed to be definitive proof there is no God? If used, and studied further, for practical purposes to make our lives better than I'm all for it. If used as scientific conjecture there is nothing outside of ourselves I would frown on it.

The one thing that I really appreciate about science is that theories are constantly changing based on new data. Let's see how long this one lasts before it gets refuted or superceded by a new God particle.

Excellent point, Vic. Science is adapting and advancing daily, what is seen as a huge discovery now may be looked at as a simple, or altogether worthless, find in the future.

Dear friend, after having spent billions of dollars and decades of their careers in this research, it was inevitable that they would find something. I haven't been able to do much reading about their "discovery" just yet, but apparently they have found some signature traces of something which kind of look like what they had expected the Higgs boson would look like. (For those who are scratching their heads, since scientists have never found a solid subatomic particle, they have postulated that there must be a teensier particle called the Higgs boson, so matter as they have long understood it could have mass as they have long understood it). Frankly, the more they trumpet this as a big discovery, the more I see it as tail-covering. But I would love for it to be more than that!!

(Love your avatar, by the way!)

Thanks Roberta, Lebowski is on of my fav movies. Regarding the discovery, given what little I understand about it and read, I think there are some wonderful things that could come out of it's discovery. Again, as long as Scientists don't try to point to this saying there could be no higher power, I'm excited to see if anything transpires with it.

COMMENTARY: ARE THE WORLD SCIENTISTS GOING MAD?

These materialist scientists are spending over SIXTEEN THOUSAND MILLION dollars ($16.5 BILLION) in Europe on the CERN Hadron Collider Project to try to test the predictions of different theories of particle physics. But even if they are successful their results will not change the way human beings behave. They will not reduce crime, will not radically change the thinking or vision of the world leaders. The results will not morally, spiritually or physically benefit people. What a waste!

Yet for fraction of a fraction of that huge amount- for say THREE MILLION DOLLARS ($3million)- afterlife scientists would have the capacity, the skills to permanently revolutionize mankind's thinking by scientifically investigating physical and materialization mediumship

That last word is why science would never spend a dime on researching it. I have to believe the 99% of scientists think mediumship is an absolute hoax. I've never been a big fan of mediums because too many have been proven fakes or admitted to being such at one time. With the very poor track record, and given that mediumship is probably looked at like a joke, I can understand how little to no money is going to research this, at least in the U.S. where most scientists seem completely materialistic in their views.

I actually wish that they would spend a little money on researching this just to see if there are some truly authentic mediums out there. However, even if proven genuine I'm certain many within the scientific field would still question/doubt the results and/or come up with another theory as to how it's not realistic science.

[Eli]

There was actually a million dollars funded toward a project called, no surprise here, "The million dollar challenge". Dr. James Randi (I think, not 100% sure) started a fund to which he would award any supernatural claim if they managed to pass a series of controlled scientific experiments. Needless to say, none ever did, but there are a few conspiracy theories spiraling around it.

I also find it slightly ironic that one of the most religious countries in the world refuse to fund supernatural research.

[Roberta Grimes]

I'd hate to play devil's advocate here, but an inch closer to how the universe came about is an inch closer to not necessarily how the universe came about, but other things as well. I mean, think about it. Without the theory of gravity, we never would have developed travel by plane. The limits for the particle are quite limitless at this point, we can't really say. But I do agree with you all about why they're not funding after life study. But It could completely backfire. Say there was undeniable proof (HYPOTHETICALLY, guys) that life was just eternal oblivion after death. I know I wouldn't be happy.

You have made a great point, dear Eli. I think the reason that most people have for so long been afraid to investigate the afterlife was fear that maybe nothing was there. It occurred to me only after I had done decades of research that doing all that research had been risky; I don't think that I would have dared begin it if I hadn't had an experience of light in childhood that made me certain that my research would bear fruit. In a sense, I cheated ;-). And I can assure you now that there is so much excellent and completely consistent evidence for the afterlife at this point that for our lives to end at death is impossible - oblivion is a completely disproven theory. No worries, dear friend!

[Roberta Grimes]

There was actually a million dollars funded toward a project called, no surprise here, "The million dollar challenge". Dr. James Randi (I think, not 100% sure) started a fund to which he would award any supernatural claim if they managed to pass a series of controlled scientific experiments. Needless to say, none ever did, but there are a few conspiracy theories spiraling around it.

I also find it slightly ironic that one of the most religious countries in the world refuse to fund supernatural research.

Randi's "prize" was a fraud. I haven't really been following it, but I understand that when someone offered to take Randi up on it but first wanted proof that he could win the million dollars, the prize offer was withdrawn. Most people who actually could have won it didn't bother even to try, since they didn't trust Randi not to act like the agenda-driven debunker that he sadly is - and anyway, negative energies like his could have been an absolute bar to any positive results.

And mainstream religions are by and large hostile to the idea of investigating the afterlife, unfortunately. Religions prefer to teach their own theories. They aren't interested in finding contrary evidence.