God's got some splainin' to do?!?!?!

[hopeful]

I can't totally discount the possibility of intervention, and in particular your case Bruce, and I will keep an open mind on this as yours may be the exception to the rule for whatever reason. I am a firm advocate for free will and choice in both rhealms as the norm, but as we all know, there are always exceptions.

So I guess Bruce you either did something really really bad or you are here now to do something really really good, maybe that's where the choice is.

Wow! Wow!! Finally the mystry is solved. 'Great Divine Assesment'

Hopeful

[Fasaga]

Wow! Wow!! Finally the mystry is solved. 'Great Divine Assesment'

Hopeful

Don't worry, be happy

[Sapphire]

Meher Baba

[Roberta Grimes]

I can't get over that which is true, as it pertains to my own case. As I stated here on multiple occasions, in MY case, I was forced back here, and didn't want to come. Yes, this is not the case for most others. But the fact is that this did happen in my case.

I believe you, dear friend. I have seen a couple of accounts in the afterlife literature of people being "strongly encouraged" - even forced - to enter a life at a particular time and in particular circumstances. These accounts are rare, but they do exist - the problem, though, is that in the reports that I have read there isn't enough information to be sure just why in those few cases their reincarnation was not voluntary. When I read these accounts - at least a decade ago - I formed the working theory based upon skimpy details that the beings involved had gotten off-track somehow and the life being entered was meant to fix that. Not a punishment, in other words, but a course-correction. Does this make sense to you, dear Bruce?

[Annie]

Editing this to reply to what Roberta just said...it makes me a little sad that people can be forced into anything on the other side, even if it's meant to be for their own good, I guess just because the thought that force is possible over there makes things seem not quite as rosy as I always like to think they were.

[Carol and Mikey]

Mikey tells me being forced to come back is extremely rare. Very very rare.
What makes you think that is the case with you Bruce?
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

[C-man]

Mikey tells me being forced to come back is extremely rare. Very very rare.
What makes you think that is the case with you Bruce?
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

Not to intrude, but does he mention why those individuals had that happen to them?

[Roberta Grimes]

Not to intrude, but does he mention why those individuals had that happen to them?

Mikey may have his own thoughts to add, but I can tell you that in the two cases I can recall reading about in the afterlife literature, the person being reincarnated was being worked with intensively by guides and advanced beings because he was balking at the very last minute (one was to be male in the next lifetime - I cannot now recall what the other was to be). In the male case - the one that I best remember - the person seemed to develop a kind of stage-fright after all the planning was done, and as the moment for entry got closer. You must recall that our lives are carefully planned in conjunction with the lives of soulmates and other eternal friends, and some of the members of his group already had entered this planned lifetime. He was needed, and for him to back out now would have screwed things up for the others. They intensively counseled him, until finally one of the guides rather grimly told the astral voyager who was witnessing all this that the being was going to be put into this lifetime. The sense seemed to be - I think it even was said - that he could handle this life's issues easily, he needed them for his own growth, he had made a deal, and it was time. So it was as if they put him on a conveyor, and off he went! But I agree with Mikey - this sort of thing seems to be extremely rare, and my hunch is that it happens only when somebody has agreed to enter a new lifetime and others have already begun to act on their shared plan, but then that one person balks for no good reason.

[BruceAdama]

Mikey tells me being forced to come back is extremely rare. Very very rare.
What makes you think that is the case with you Bruce?
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

It may be rare, but it does happen. I explained why I was forced back earlier in this thread... IDK exactly what page, but if you go back, I'm sure you'll find it. I basically tell about how I remember my previous life ending, and then quickly being forced back, against my will, and describe how "vocally" and vehemently I protested, and didn't want to come back. I didn't want OR choose this life... it was forced upon me against my will. That is fact. My case may be very rare, but the fact that it didn't happen to others this way doesn't somehow invalidate my own account of my own individual experience. It happened. I remember it. In my case, it wasn't a case of my not wanting to come here out of cold feet or fear of the experience... I simply did not want to go, and was (and obviously still am) exceedingly furious and angry that I was forced to do this. It was not something I elected to do, or would have ever elected to do.

[BruceAdama]

I believe you, dear friend. I have seen a couple of accounts in the afterlife literature of people being "strongly encouraged" - even forced - to enter a life at a particular time and in particular circumstances. These accounts are rare, but they do exist - the problem, though, is that in the reports that I have read there isn't enough information to be sure just why in those few cases their reincarnation was not voluntary. When I read these accounts - at least a decade ago - I formed the working theory based upon skimpy details that the beings involved had gotten off-track somehow and the life being entered was meant to fix that. Not a punishment, in other words, but a course-correction. Does this make sense to you, dear Bruce?

It does, Roberta, but that in itself addresses the biggest problem I have with all of this, which I mentioned elsewhere, which is the whole "veil of forgetfulness" which we have in this physical life. The veil is counterproductive to God's very plan, and is quite frankly from a logical standpoint, quite stupid. If we are sent here to learn certain things, and if the others in the afterlife gain from these lessons too, then why constantly impose forgetfulness upon those who incarnate? All it does is either erase all knowledge gained, forcing the same lessons to be repeated over and over and over again, or it simply becomes redundant... experiences being repeated for no purpose whatsoever. If we retained all the knowledge we have amassed over our incarnations, we would not only know the lessons we've learned, but would also know God's plan, and what is expected of us. Nothing would change... God would still have his stupid little Earth social experiment, since we'd still all have free will... it's still up to US to heed God's plan or not. But without the veil, at least we'd know what that plan is, and we'd also know what lessons we've learned, and what to do when we need to do it. But it all comes down to choice. But by imposing this shroud which blocks memory, God isn't advancing anything. Rather, he's quite impeding any progress, and stifling it... slowing it to a mere snail's pace, which is both sad and stupid, but whatever... it's what God wants, apparently. But if I knew WHY I was forced here, and knew just what it was that God felt I had to do or learn... at least I'd know, and my anger wouldn't be blind rage... it would either be specifically directed rage, or perhaps a new understanding. But with the veil, I have no such insight.