The Lowest Realms as explained by the book "Life In The World Unseen"

[Wonderer]

I've been reading the free version of Life In The World Unseen by Anthony Borgia and came across a section in the lowest realm which was a but upsetting...

The pdf can be found here

On page 73, paragraph 11, it reads...

"Dimly, we could see through this miasma what might have been human beings, crawling like some foul beasts over the surface of the upper rocks. We could not think, Ruth and I, that they were human, but Edwin assured us that once they had walked upon the earth-plane as men, that they had eaten and slept, and breathed the earthly air, had mixed with other men on earth. But they had lived a life of spiritual foulness. And in their death of the physical body they had gone to their true abode and their true estate in the spirit world. The rising vapor seemed to shroud them somewhat from our vision, and we descended until we were level with the tops of the rocks."

I mean, I can't believe that a soul can end up in this state...it does not make sense to me. OK, you might tell me that probably it's their choice to be there, the creation of their mind, the guilt they have inside, they threw themselves there...

But...who in the universe would want to be there!!!??? And I know that we have free will..but possible higher beings cannot get them out of there....I don't get it.

Thanks!

[mac]

I've been reading the free version of Life In The World Unseen by Anthony Borgia and came across a section in the lowest realm which was a but upsetting...

The pdf can be found here

On page 73, paragraph 11, it reads...



I mean, I can't believe that a soul can end up in this state...it does not make sense to me. OK, you might tell me that probably it's their choice to be there, the creation of their mind, the guilt they have inside, they threw themselves there...

But...who in the universe would want to be there!!!??? And I know that we have free will..but possible higher beings cannot get them out of there....I don't get it.

Thanks!

Nobody in the universe wants them there.... They can always be reached as no-one is ever deserted or abandoned to fend for themselves but there has to be a preparedness on the part of the ones needing help.

When there is that wish, when they are prepared in whatever way to make the necessary changes, when they turn their face to the light however dim it is, then they will find there are helpers waiting.

It matters not how 'high' the (quote) "higher beings" are - and in reality virtually everyone would be higher than these wretches - they can not force their attentions or their help on those who will not, can not accept....

But always there are 'specialists' waiting to help and support, individuals with experience and understanding who are ever ready to move to help when the signal comes.

[Wonderer]

I agree Mat. Makes sense.

But, wow, how can somebody end up there? And let's say ok, they feel soooo guilty and bad...granted...but do they have to throw themselves in that hole of mud, stench and bad fumes? I can't understand how their mind creates that place for themselves...

Apparently even Hitler managed to move up!

[poeticblue]

I agree Mat. Makes sense.

But, wow, how can somebody end up there? And let's say ok, they feel soooo guilty and bad...granted...but do they have to throw themselves in that hole of mud, stench and bad fumes? I can't understand how their mind creates that place for themselves...

Apparently even Hitler managed to move up!

Ohhh Wonderer.. don't get me started again about Hitler moving up lolol.. still makes zero sense to me.

And yeah I'm still having a hard time believing that if I dont forgive myself then I will end up there. As if we all haven't suffered enough being here. I think we should transition to the summerlands and deal with our guilt there through couseling.. not be sent to the lower realms. It just reminds me of one of those realms from Mortal Kombat.

[Wonderer]

Ohhh Wonderer.. don't get me started again about Hitler moving up lolol.. still makes zero sense to me.

And yeah I'm still having a hard time believing that if I dont forgive myself then I will end up there. As if we all haven't suffered enough being here. I think we should transition to the summerlands and deal with our guilt there through couseling.. not be sent to the lower realms. It just reminds me of one of those realms from Mortal Kombat.

I honestly think that you won't end up there poeticblue...your heart seems so kind and loving!

And if you do, I'm telling ye now, I'm gonna keep pestering you until you'll come up with me in Summerland!

PS: Don't worry much about Hitler, we can't understand it all, can we! So I'll leave it up to others to judge him

Cheers

[poeticblue]

I honestly think that you won't end up there poeticblue...your heart seems so kind and loving!

And if you do, I'm telling ye now, I'm gonna keep pestering you until you'll come up with me in Summerland!

PS: Don't worry much about Hitler, we can't understand it all, can we! So I'll leave it up to others to judge him

Cheers

I believe that 99% of us here on this site will make it to at least level 3 with ease and I wouldn't be surprised if alot of us are on level 4,5, even 6.

I'm not too toooooooo worried about the guilt thing.. I know I'll pull through it. I'm trying to get a hold of the negetive things and work through them.. not the easiest thing to do but I know it is fixable. I just need to learn how to trust people and get my emotions in order. I need to take control. This is really the only true problem I have in my life now... hell I've fixed everything else but I can't seem to fix this haha... I can communicate with my guide and make astral trips in my sleep.. I notice that if I drink however I do not dream or have any spiritual experiences.. not good.. I don't like that feeling.

Well anyways ~~~~~~ I appreciate you having my back if I were to somehow slip to the 2nd level lol

[Truth seeker]

I honestly think that you won't end up there poeticblue...your heart seems so kind and loving!

And if you do, I'm telling ye now, I'm gonna keep pestering you until you'll come up with me in Summerland!

PS: Don't worry much about Hitler, we can't understand it all, can we! So I'll leave it up to others to judge him

Cheers

That part about Hitler is very true,we are judging without knowing the whole picture...

Reading all the posts on this board about why God make us suffer or why we would choose to come to this life to suffer, that it didnt make sense, it remind me the words of Jesus on Matthew 16:21-23:

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God,but merely human concerns.”

[mac]

I agree Mat. Makes sense.

But, wow, how can somebody end up there? And let's say ok, they feel soooo guilty and bad...granted...but do they have to throw themselves in that hole of mud, stench and bad fumes? I can't understand how their mind creates that place for themselves...

Apparently even Hitler managed to move up!

I confess that I can't fully fathom it either.... But, then, I don't fully understand the behavior of individuals who abuse others in unspeakably vile ways.

In the etheric we're taught that thought makes material. For ordinary folk the pleasant environment of the so-called Summerland et al is the outcome.

But the same principle creates an opposite outcome for sad, depraved individuals. Their thoughts create, and have created, the repulsive conditions they ultimately find themselves in. The reasons we can only speculate on and perhaps they deserve our compassion?

[mac]

I believe that 99% of us here on this site will make it to at least level 3 with ease and I wouldn't be surprised if alot of us are on level 4,5, even 6.

I'm not too toooooooo worried about the guilt thing.. I know I'll pull through it. I'm trying to get a hold of the negetive things and work through them.. not the easiest thing to do but I know it is fixable. I just need to learn how to trust people and get my emotions in order. I need to take control. This is really the only true problem I have in my life now... hell I've fixed everything else but I can't seem to fix this haha... I can communicate with my guide and make astral trips in my sleep.. I notice that if I drink however I do not dream or have any spiritual experiences.. not good.. I don't like that feeling.

Well anyways ~~~~~~ I appreciate you having my back if I were to somehow slip to the 2nd level lol

I find it altogether too mechanical to think of spiritual progression in terms of numbered 'levels'.....

The notion of levels is a form of shorthand to categorise the spiritual states we'll experience as we progress, our actual progression being a stepless flow from one to another.

[mac]

Don't worry much about Hitler, we can't understand it all, can we! So I'll leave it up to others to judge him

Cheers

We can't understand even a small amount let alone all of it!

Better still would be for none of us to judge. In the final reckoning that individual will have enough to face from his own judgment of his actions.