***announcement***

[Thomas]

Our wonderful friend Vita (whose real name is Andrew) is starting his own show on BlogTalk radio! Vita's Eternity For All will feature discussions of his own extensive afterlife knowledge, often with the help of expert guests. His first guest will be our own Roberta Grimes, there to talk about The Fun of Dying and answer your questions. Tune in to BlogTalk radio at 6:30 eastern time (10:30 GMT) each Tuesday evening, beginning this week! And if you want to be part of the discussion, you can call (714) 333-3317. Let's make Vita's efforts to get the truth out a big success!!

[Andrew]

Thank you very much, dear Thomas! Anyone who's interested in listening to my internet radio station can click here (http://blogtalkradio.com/eternityforall) to go to it.

[Annie]

Congratulations Vita, I'll try and tune in! I've listened to a few of Roberta's shows too from when she was promoting her book and they were really great.

[papajohn]

Hey Vita I wish you all the best with your new venture. If we can't hear it live I'm assuming there are replays? I'll check it out. Good Luck

[Andrew]

Thank you both for your kind wishes! Papajohn, yes you can listen to it anytime after the actual live show starts.

[LoneJedi]

Congratulations, Vita. I hope all goes well with it :)

[Andrew]

Thank you very much, LoneJedi!

[vic smyth]

Wow, Vita, how cool! I'm looking forward to listening to your shows.

[RudeAwakening]

Me too Vita, looking forward to it as well.

[Andrew]

Thanks Vic & Awakening! I'm looking forward to it myself.

[Birki]

Awesome! I'm glad the show will be available later, I'm usually cooking dinner around that time!

[Andrew]

Hi everyone! I've just published a website: http://eternityforallradio.com, if anyone's looking for more information. The link I posted above goes directly to where you can listen to the show, but this has more information.

Thank you all for your support!

[Nadine510]

i am looking forward to this , i cannot wait to listen!!!!!!!!!

[Annie]

Very nice site Vita, I like your book reviews. I think I'm going to read Guided Afterlife Connections after what you and Roberta have said about it.

[Andrew]

Thanks, Annie! I've only read a bit of that book, like I said in the review, but what I have read is really wonderful! In fact, every book I put there is so wonderful that I ended up rating them all five stars! So many books, so little time!

[Andrew]

Hi everyone! Our first segment on the show didn't go so well. I couldn't get on as the main host of the radio show, because the line was busy for some reason. So I had to email my info to Roberta, who somehow managed to get in as the main host. But, then we couldn't figure out how I could call in. I knew I would have to call in as a guest, so I did, but we couldn't get me on the air! So poor Roberta had to try and carry on without me, while trying to figure out how to get me on. She did a great job, but we didn't get to any of the questions we had planned on discussing! We're going to try again next week. Hopefully it will go a whole lot better then! But that's why there is no episode up right now! Sorry!

Thanks for all your support, dear friends!

[Roberta Grimes]

Everyone, it was really funny! Apparently the DC earthquake had fouled up communications between Vita and the blogtalk servers, so he could get only a circuit-busy. He is to the north, in CT, and I am to the south, in TX. So he couldn't get through, but I was able to get on the server easily; and he knows what he is doing, but I am clueless. So people who tuned in were treated to the spectacle of me trying to chatter and act as if I knew what I was doing, while at the same time I read and tried to follow his emailed and texted guidance. He was wonderfully patient with me - thank you, Vita! If there is not another DC earthquake, we are going to make it happen next week; and if there is another earthquake, we have agreed that I won't even attempt to figure out the dashboard, but I will instead talk. That is something I can do! I have done dozens of internet radio interviews, and in one of them a host in Australia lost her internet connection halfway through. Suddenly she wasn't there anymore, but I knew the show had a half-hour still to go, so I did an extemporaneous talk on what the afterlife is like, and threw in every anecdote I could recall. I didn't know whether I was still on the air, but what the heck - it was fun! And I found out later that I had been on the whole hour and those who had heard it thought it was fine. Please tune in next Tuesday at 6:30 eastern if you can, or check Vita's website for the audio afterward. He and I are psyched - next week will be great!!

[Andrew]

Hi all! Roberta and I completed the first part of our interview tonight! I was a little worried about whether or not we would be able to connect, because of the hurricane (my area has a lot of power outages, but I have power), but I had no trouble connecting! We really had a lot of fun - the time just flew!

If you want (no pressure :)), check it out here (http://blogtalkradio.com/eternityforall).

[RudeAwakening]

Vita, I caught the show live, you guys sounded great. Look forward to future shows and discussions.

[Andrew]

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I can't wait either! :)

[Annie]

Just listened...I have to say, listening to you Roberta makes me realize how glad I am for the internet. You really had to jump through more hoops to learn about the afterlife. Really cool how you had those experiences where your guide spoke to you telepathically though, like you could tell it was someone else "speaking" to you even though you couldn't hear them outside of your mind.

[Andrew]

I, for one, would love to have an experience like Roberta did with the light. It sounds amazing! Of course, there's probably no need for me to have one since I am here I know that God and the Afterlife exist. I don't need confirmation of that, but it would be cool just to witness that spiritual light!

[vic smyth]

Vita, Can your interviews be downloaded as podcasts/mp3 files? I'd love to listen to them on my ipod.

[Andrew]

Hi Vic! I had never actually thought about making the show available to download, but that is a great idea! I just looked into how it would be done, and I submitted it to the iTunes Store (where it would be free). They it must be reviewed before they make it available for download, so check the iTunes store in a few days and you should be able to download all the episodes after they come out.

[vic smyth]

Have you considered making the mp3 files available on your website? As a programmer I would be happy to provide the code for you to do this, pro bono of course (it's fairly simple).

[Andrew]

I'm not sure if that is possible for these episodes, Vic. I don't have access to the MP3 files to download as of now. I may be able to download them myself, through iTunes and then post them on my website. I don't think that requires any special coding on my part though. Thank you for your offer though, my friend!

[Annie]

Just listened to your last show. Thank you Roberta for clarifying about how it feels, how you leave your body right before death. What an AMAZING near death experience story that caller shared with you. I was riveted listening because drowning to me sounds like one of the scariest ways to die.

Wow, that poor woman though, I can't believe what she's been through, from a family member no less, but she is obviously very advanced. I hope she's okay after all that and I hope she joins us here on this forum.

Anyway, thank you guys for doing this show and for spreading the word and for sharing this with the world. This show was very inspiring. I loved how you said that being spiritually aware raises your vibration and this in turn raises the world's vibrations.

[vic smyth]

I loved how you said that being spiritually aware raises your vibration and this in turn raises the world's vibrations.

I wonder if our growing spiritual awareness does not also raise the vibrations of our loved ones in the hereafter.

With Lovingkindness,
vic

[Roberta Grimes]

That's an interesting question, Vic! I tend to think not - or not by much - since the evidence suggests that spiritual growth is much harder to achieve there than it is here. But the evidence also indicates that our individual spiritual growth has a relatively powerful effect on the spiritual vibration of all humankind now on earth, to the extent that it is estimated that if only ten percent of the earth's inhabitants became loving, forgiving, and spiritually aware, they could drag the rest of human consciousness with them. It seems to be worth trying ;-)!

[Andrew]

That really was an amazing story from that caller! I do feel bad for her, especially since her drowning was caused by someone she should have been able to trust. Her story, and loss of fear of death, is truly so consistent with all the evidence that we have been able to unearth! I'm really glad she called in!

[Caseysmom]

Wow thats just wonderful.. I am so happy for you and for those who contact you on the radio and you touch their lives with your lovely way of speaking to people and helping them heal and or understand their situation.. By the way I am new to this site and think you do a wonderful job and the site is so easy to learn how to use. Thank you..

[Roberta Grimes]

Dear Caseysmom, you are the reason why this site exists! And you are the reason why our wonderful Vita (a/k/a Andrew) has begun his radio program. We grieve with you for your beloved child; my own 7-year-old granddaughter has ADHD, and I know how cluelessly impulsive such children are but also how loving and beautiful they are. I am glad that you have had such wonderful contacts from Casey, and I hope you will continue to share them with us as they happen! The afterlife evidence indicates without doubt that Casey is more alive than ever, healthy and happy and loving his family, and he will be waiting to hug you as you graduate and show you around your glorious new world. And perhaps, if it is part of your lesson-plan, you can be communicating with him sooner! Our beloved Carol lost her son, Mikey, at the age of 20, and now they are communicating to such an extent that he is as much a part of her life as he ever was. They are doing a great deal of good for so many! Welcome, dear Caseysmom - I hope we'll hear from you often!!

[Andrew]

Welcome, dear Caseysmom! I would like to second what Roberta just said - you are indeed the reason that both this site and my radio program exist! I hope you can find some comfort here! The evidence tells me without a doubt that Casey is alive and well and indeed surrounded by unconditional, heavenly love!

Also, if you (or anyone else) are interested in hearing more about Carol who, as Roberta mentioned lost her son Mikey at the age of 20, she will be coming on my radio show on Tuesday October 11th. If you can't listen during the live show though, you can listen to the segment anytime afterwards.

[Andrew]

Also, just as an update, the segments from the radio show are now available in the iTunes Store. To find them, search for "Eternity for All" and then refine your search by choosing to search just for podcasts. The show should be the first or second result.

[RudeAwakening]

That was definitely an interesting NDE from the caller. That’s a tough way to gain the insight she has.

Andrew or Roberta – do you guys have any plans for Roberta to participate as a co-host for the show?

I am so interested in getting this evidence to large numbers of people. Printing up fliers with an opening sentence of something like “There is conclusive scientific evidence that our consciousness survives physical death.” And add additional information and links etc and ship one to every mail box in the country.

Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about here, but it’s getting to the point where I just can’t stand the lack of awareness on this subject. I know I’m not alone in that area.

[Andrew]

I love your enthusiasm, dear Rude Awakening! Unfortunately though, I don't have the resources to send flyers to every home in america (such as 300 million sheets of paper, ink, and postage stamps). It would be a great idea though!

This Tuesday will be third segment of the show, and I am still getting used to it. It's funny, I have a strong distaste for talk radio, but something led me to create this show! Anyway, Roberta has done most of the talking so far, and she'll be returning this week. Unofficially, she has pretty much been the co-host I guess.

I too often am perplexed by the lack of spiritual awareness in the general public! For example, when I find out that someone has died, I do not think "Oh, poor them.", but rather "Good for them!" People often find that very strange! It seems though that most people don't even consider the evidence. Just because it is about the afterlife, they figure that there can be no definite proof. It's so sad that society has forced them to think this way! There is truly more proof of the afterlife than one could even read in a lifetime!

[Annie]

I'm the same Vita, I never pity the person who has died, only the loved ones they leave behind. I don't say so because I'm afraid of sounding crazy or insensitive, but part of me envies them!

Awakening, I know what you mean, I just want to tell everyone to Google the afterlife like I did, there's so much information about it at our fingertips. I think it'll come into light more and more, now that this information is so readily available.

[RudeAwakening]

Yeah Vita no doubt a flier in every mailbox is an unrealistic goal.

It’s my understanding that the population is just simply unaware the evidence exists. My idea is to find a way to get the ball rolling downhill with enough initial momentum to create an immediate surge in interest in the evidence. You know the snowball effect.

The flier would have to be carefully worded not to offend the deeply religious or atheistic science types. The idea is to make them want to check out this so called evidence. I’m not referring specifically to the blog radio show, but more along the lines of easily attainable written evidence similar to that available on Victor Zammit’s site, ADC, Leslie Flint, these forums and so on. We would need the input of people like Roberta and other experts to put this together.

I want to be as sure of it’s effectiveness as possible. People are immediately turned off by fliers; it has to be extra special somehow. Rather than every house hold in the US, I’m thinking of targeting specific demographics of people. Get this thing off the ground. Let people know about these sites. We would need all sorts of input before proceeding. I can devote a fair amount of time to this and even a few dollars.

You see where I’m going with this? I would like to get Roberta’s input on it as well. I’ve spent time on other forums and I continually get the 20 year old telling me how stupid I am because somehow the existence of dinosaurs negates my message. Had enough, time for something stronger, never know where it could lead. We need serious input on it though, possible legal complications and so on.

What do you think?

[Caseysmom]

Dear Roberta, I thank you so much for your warm welcome and caring ways. I told a few people that first I have to know that my son is ok, living and happy go lucky, to heal my grief for him.. The signs that he has showed us truely gave me a sence of Peace,the signs he has shown myself and my husband a non believer of afterlife are so convincing that my husband proudly says he know that was Casey. This site has already began to heal some of my pain. I thank you and InAevumvita and each and everyone of you who have shared your stories or gave your opinion, for that comfort.I told my husband today as I shared some of the storys with him in the car that I have to teach myself to use the words When Casey came to us or the signs Casey showed us, without worry of what others think because our son has worked at giving us so many signs I need him to know how proud I am of him for doing so, and that I have no dought that it is him showing us he is ok. Thats my plan and I no being here will help me achieve that. I want to hear the radio show, can one of you please post a link to it so I can save it and go to it on Tuesday. i am so happy for Mikey and his mom and she should be proud of herself for her achievement in this area. Carol, I truely am sorry you lost your son but so happy you reached out to him to continue being a big part of your life. Thank you again Roberta for your post to me.
Dear Caseysmom, you are the reason why this site exists! And you are the reason why our wonderful Vita (a/k/a Andrew) has begun his radio program. We grieve with you for your beloved child; my own 7-year-old granddaughter has ADHD, and I know how cluelessly impulsive such children are but also how loving and beautiful they are. I am glad that you have had such wonderful contacts from Casey, and I hope you will continue to share them with us as they happen! The afterlife evidence indicates without doubt that Casey is more alive than ever, healthy and happy and loving his family, and he will be waiting to hug you as you graduate and show you around your glorious new world. And perhaps, if it is part of your lesson-plan, you can be communicating with him sooner! Our beloved Carol lost her son, Mikey, at the age of 20, and now they are communicating to such an extent that he is as much a part of her life as he ever was. They are doing a great deal of good for so many! Welcome, dear Caseysmom - I hope we'll hear from you often!!

[Caseysmom]

Dear InAevumVita, I thank you for your lovely welcome and the work you do to help teach and comfort others. I get overwhemled easy and cant read for long partly because of my Attention defic. disorder and memory issues, but I found myself reading and reading and wanting more so reading even more from this site. So if your work is to tough others lives it is evident that you both have touched many in such a healthy way and again I thank you all for that.. I wont to join in on the radio show. Selfishly I dont want to share this site at this time because I need to not fear what people I know think about me if they read some of the stuff I write. I will learn in this area of my life to not worry about what others think about my belief in my sons afterlife, or how they feel I should not share the story about the hanging. Once I get passed that I want to share this site with the world.. I hope u understand, I get intimidated easy and dont need the static from others right now..I know I want to share the comfort with others that is found here so I will honestly work on my fears.. Thanks again, it amazes me how continually and constant you both speak to others in such caring and unpushing ways. I can't wait to hear the radio show. Thanks again.
Welcome, dear Caseysmom! I would like to second what Roberta just said - you are indeed the reason that both this site and my radio program exist! I hope you can find some comfort here! The evidence tells me without a doubt that Casey is alive and well and indeed surrounded by unconditional, heavenly love!

Also, if you (or anyone else) are interested in hearing more about Carol who, as Roberta mentioned lost her son Mikey at the age of 20, she will be coming on my radio show on Tuesday October 11th. If you can't listen during the live show though, you can listen to the segment anytime afterwards.

[Caseysmom]

Hi all! Roberta and I completed the first part of our interview tonight! I was a little worried about whether or not we would be able to connect, because of the hurricane (my area has a lot of power outages, but I have power), but I had no trouble connecting! We really had a lot of fun - the time just flew!

If you want (no pressure :)), check it out here (http://blogtalkradio.com/eternityforall).

Oh I new I seen posts with a way to the radio show but was not sure where. Thank you i am so excited about it, I surely will listen atleast starting with the next live show. Thanks again.

[Annie]

Great show again you guys! Roberta, you're so informative. I like how you talked about the life review and spiritual vibrations. It made me think, what happens to people who killed someone because they more or less had to, like out of self defense or because they were drafted in a war? Does that inhibit your advancement or is it fairly easy to forgive yourself?

Also was really interesting when you talked about people who were kind of nasty in their lives. It makes sense that it's sort of a gradual process for them to progress, rather than just dying and all of a sudden being an entirely different person. Also what you said about people in the outer darkness looking like demons make sense...I've heard of people doing astral projection talking about "demons" but that these demons are very weak and are dispelled either with love or by thoughts of God.

I'm also glad you addressed the fiery hell thing because I have heard that from near death experiences too and didn't really understand it and it really did upset me, so thank you for shedding some light onto that! I guess it's one of those things that your mind conjures up out of guilt for whatever reason. It's reassuring to know that this is easily dispelled too. Great show, thank you both for doing it, you're helping so many people!

[Roberta Grimes]

Thank you for listening, Annie! This is all our wonderful Vita's doing - he had the idea, set it all up, and invited me to be a part of it. And doing it is so much fun!! To answer your very important question, killing another person seems to be an afterlife problem for us nearly always. The one exception might be where we kill to protect a weaker person or a child from suffering grievous harm - it seems to me likely that we might find that to be ultimately forgivable. There is some evidence that killing in our own defense isn't always easily forgiven, though (believe it or not). And killing in war very often is a problem, even if we were drafted rather than volunteering. On a rational level, I love our troops and I'm so grateful to them for protecting us: it is only because rough men are prepared to do violence in our behalf that you and I can rest easily in our beds. But on a spiritual level, I worry for the afterlife futures of those same rough men. Many of those who have killed in battle have a great deal of trouble forgiving themselves once they realize during a life review that the men they killed were real, complete people, with loves and families and dreams and aspirations. War is a horrendous problem indeed!

[Andrew]

Hi Annie! I'm glad you liked the show tonight! I agree completely with Roberta - killing is never good! There are situations when people try to justify it, such as self-defense or being drafted, but is still hinders spiritual growth. Of course, it would be a little easier for us to make that decision, since we know what we know about the afterlife. If I were in a situation where I had to choose whether to die or kill someone, I would die. That's easier said than done I realize, but it comes down to this: if I kill that person, that will hurt me and possibly hinder that person or his/her family's spiritual growth, which I will find out about in my life review. Or I could die, which won't do me any harm at all. That's how I see it. Of course, I would try to talk my way out of this, but I wouldn't fight my way out. And then, of course, my last resort (assuming I had the time) would be to tell the person that I forgive them for my death. I don't know if that would do anything for their guilt during their life review, but it might help.

If I were drafted, I would simply refuse to go and, if forced, I would refuse to fight. That would get me into a lot of trouble probably, but it's better to have a nice, clear conscience at death. :)

[Annie]

Thanks Roberta and Vita for your responses. I have to agree that I'd rather be killed than kill, but then again, I don't know how I would act in that situation, I might just go into survival mode. What if it was to save a loved one though? Like you're in a situation where a person is attacking your child/parent/spouse/friend and you can save them, but only by killing the other person. Is this a lose-lose situation where you'll feel guilty no matter what decision you make? The best scenario would be to knock the attacker unconscious I suppose. I don't know, it's just scary to think that a heat-of-the-moment survival decision could have such a big negative impact on our afterlives. If I felt it was justified and I was saving a loved one's life, I think I'd be able to forgive myself. My own life? I'm not entirely sure. Hopefully I'll never have to find this stuff out the hard way but it's good to be prepared. :)

[RudeAwakening]

Roberta wrote: There is some evidence that killing in our own defense isn't always easily forgiven, though (believe it or not).

Intersting replys from both Vita and Annie relative to killing in self defense. I don't think Roberta's implication with this statement was meant to suggest that people should stand there and let somebody kill them. I haven't listened to the show yet, but you guys have lost me on this one and probably a few others as well.

The possibility that defending myself against someone trying to kill me might hinder my spiritual growth would be nearly irrelevant to me if faced with that situation. In my opinion that's taking the limited evidence of this a bit too far and if it isn't I'm more than willing to take that chance before I allow some thug to murder me or a member of my family.

Forgive me if this seems a bit off putting, but let's not get carried away here guys if we want to be taken seriously. While there may be evidence to support that some have trouble forgiving themselves for it, I seriously doubt that evidence is meant to suggest that you not defend your life or that of your loved ones. If someone enters my home with intent to do me harm, I'm not going to try and knock them unconscious.

[Andrew]

Hi Rude Awakening! I completely understand where you are coming from. What I said above is simply what I would do (or presume I would do). I don't think I could kill someone - I just don't think I am capable spiritually. Plus, I wouldn't want to live and then spend the rest of my life worrying about feeling guilty. What kind of life is that? Obviously, if there were a way out of this proposed situation that required no major violence (fighting, killing, shooting, hitting, etc.), I would of course take it rather than die. But if my choice is kill or die, then I die. When the evidence is known, and the fear of death is gone, this choice is easier to justify. Unfortunately, most people don't know the truth.

That's just my way of looking at things though. I have no judgement or negative feelings for those who have survived attempted murder by killing the murderer, but I do worry about them.

What I am saying is basically what Yeshua said to do. He warns us several times not to kill, even in cases when it seems justified.

[RudeAwakening]

Great show by the way Vita and Roberta.

I understand how you feel about the defense issue as well Vita, in regards to yourself, but I wonder how far do you think Yeshua’s warnings are meant to be taken?

Where do you draw the line at taking a human life or otherwise allowing someone to do unspeakable damage to many? When would you yourself pull the trigger and or in your interpretation where do you think Yeshua would draw that line?

In your opinion is there a line and where is it?

[Andrew]

Hi Rude Awaking! For me there is no line really because I don't feel like I could kill anyone no matter what. Perhaps the consequences of that would have an overall negative effect, but I simply don't feel that I could ever do it. For example, I could not have killed Hitler, even though he was clearly a truly misguided person with many issues who has destroying millions of lives. Nevertheless, I don't think I could have done any harm to him.

It's also important to realize that we are not privy to everyone else's life plans, which means that we don't know exactly what would be good for them. And the evidence tells us that events such as the Holocaust, or majors wars are often planned to help people benefit spiritually. I don't know exactly how often that happens or what the specifics are, but it does happen. Knowing that makes it even harder to figure out exactly what the right choice is!

I think that Yeshua also would have been incapable of killing another human being. There is evidence of that all over the Gospels. When Yeshua was arrested by the Jewish guards, some of the disciples started to attack them. I believe it was Kephas (Peter) who sliced off the ear of one of the guards. Yeshua said immediately that he would not have violence done in his name and told them to stop. Then he healed the man's ear - the man who was essentially bringing him to his death. Also, when Yeshua was "tried" before Pontius Pilate and before Herod Antipaste, he did nothing to resist and didn't curse his persecutors. Then, at the Crucifixion, Yeshua never said anything negative to his killers, and never attempted to stop them. He said "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." Yeshua wasn't even angry at the band of primitive people brutally killing him! So, I have to conclude that Yeshua was a gentle being who could do no harm.

Does that answer your question, my friend?

[RudeAwakening]

Vita, I’m curious - do you think Yeshua would tell a man that he should not protect his land and his loved ones from those that would murder him, steal his land and torture his family?

I’m about the evidence, religion means nothing to me. And I don’t think a world full of people are going to stop and contemplate the life plans of a would be murderer and their intended victims before making a decision of whether or not to stop him.

This just seems unrealistic to me and something I personally want to avoid when discussing after life evidence with people, that, and overtly religious over tones. You know, it’s not like I’m going to present the evidence to someone and then say, BTW, you should never kill anyone for any reason because you don’t know what it might do to their life plan.

You know what I’m saying here right? I realize this is just your opinion, but is that what you think Yeshua would say to every man, country and civilization, put down your gun, you don’t know what his life plan is?
Don’t get me wrong here Vita, I’m just trying to keep it real, something people can relate to.

[Andrew]

I do get what you are saying, dear Rude Awakening. I fear though, that you don't quite understand what I am saying. I am not saying that someone should not protect their land and family - I am just saying that I wouldn't do it with violence. For example, people should get alarms, put up fences, lock their doors, and stuff like that to prevent trespassers in the first place. If someone does come with the intention to do harm, that is where I am saying that this should be done in a non-violent manner.

It is my belief that Yeshua would tell someone not to protect their lands with violence. He goes as far as to actually say that, should someone strike you on the cheek, give him the other cheek to hit as well.

Also, it is important that to realize that the teachings of Yeshua are in no way religion. I agree with you - religion means absolutely nothing to me. The Pope is no holier than any of us. I am not a Christian, I simply follow Yeshua. You see, Yeshua's words are completely consistent with the modern evidence that you and I have read about. Isn't that amazing?

Basically, I don't support unnatural death of any kind. Not just because it might mess up their life plan. The really important reason is because it WILL mess up the killer's life plan. That's why there is no point in killing. I don't even think I could kill to protect a loved one. Think about it - Do you want your loved ones to experience eternal love and joy in the afterlife, or live this life, knowing that they (even if it's not really true) are the cause of someone else's death? I'm not saying go out and try to get murdered, of course!

My view is very extreme when it comes to violence. I would no sooner kill a murderer than an innocent person. I simply could never kill.

Do you understand where I am coming from?

[Carol and Mikey]

Mikey says in Heaven, murder is not looked upon well. When death is related to war, Heaven looks at that differently because the soul often "feels" they are doing the right thing. The soul is directed by others in what to do. They are standing up for the "belief" they are fighting for. People who murder choose themselves with their own freewill to kill and hurt. There is a big difference. The life review is a challenge for the soul who is loving (who was in the war) as they feel bad for the sorrow they caused. These reviews take time so the soul can realize how much they did help others by the result of what actions took place. These souls often feel the need to reincarnate because they want to balance this out and advance their soul. However, Mikey said that these souls who are in war "for sure" advance even though they struggled with this issue. But often they have a strong desire to reincarnate anyway.
In Heaven, murder in self defense is looked at in a similar way as to death related to war. Just remember, in Heaven murder is never the answer.
Carol and Mikey in "Spirit"

[Roberta Grimes]

Roberta wrote: There is some evidence that killing in our own defense isn't always easily forgiven, though (believe it or not).

Intersting replys from both Vita and Annie relative to killing in self defense. I don't think Roberta's implication with this statement was meant to suggest that people should stand there and let somebody kill them. I haven't listened to the show yet, but you guys have lost me on this one and probably a few others as well.

The possibility that defending myself against someone trying to kill me might hinder my spiritual growth would be nearly irrelevant to me if faced with that situation. In my opinion that's taking the limited evidence of this a bit too far and if it isn't I'm more than willing to take that chance before I allow some thug to murder me or a member of my family.

Forgive me if this seems a bit off putting, but let's not get carried away here guys if we want to be taken seriously. While there may be evidence to support that some have trouble forgiving themselves for it, I seriously doubt that evidence is meant to suggest that you not defend your life or that of your loved ones. If someone enters my home with intent to do me harm, I'm not going to try and knock them unconscious.

You are right, dear Awakening, in saying that religion is irrelevant to us. But understanding spiritual energy - which is the base creative energy, and actually is the only real energy that exists - actually is central to all of our discussions here. The afterlife evidence shows us repeatedly and throughout that all our actions need to be consistent with what will foster spiritual health, and we must actively resist in our own minds anything that might be harmful spiritually, either to ourselves or to others. As always, our dear wonderful Mikey's words above are consistent with this premise! Here is what I am confident is true, based on my decades of reading afterlife evidence:

1) When possible, we should retreat rather than fight. This isn't my preference, I must admit, but based upon the afterlife evidence I would have to say that we shouldn't injure or kill someone who is after only our property. Each person is an eternal spiritual being and a beloved part of God, and your Toyota is only a car - so give him the car, with your expressed love and blessing.

2) To react with violence in an effort to protect the weak is spiritually acceptable. Defend children with your life. Even defending adults who are unable to retreat is, I think, spiritually acceptable - I don't believe you will ever blame yourself for it, even if your actions result in the death or maiming of the attacker.

3) If you are unable to retreat, it is better to resist passively than to try to maim or kill an attacker. Shoot him in the leg and not the head; get him down onto the ground at gunpoint if you can; maybe kick him in the groin. But try not to do him any permanent harm, and certainly try not to kill him!

- As we know, Jesus told us 2000 years ago much of what we have been able to learn just recently from modern afterlife evidence, so He is not a religious figure to us - but rather, His words are important corroboration of the afterlife evidence that we study here. And as is true of the rest of the afterlife evidence, the words of Jesus in the Gospels essentially affirm what the afterlife evidence tells us about resistance and violence: I don't have time to look up the Biblical references right now, but essentially He said, (a) do not resist an evildoer; (b) if someone wants your personal property, give it to him at once; and (c) if someone hits you on one cheek, then turn the other so he can hit that cheek too. When I was a Christian, I found this inexplicable - it seemed sissy and weak and not morally right. But now I understand that Jesus is telling us how important it is that we not add to the spiritual violence being done by the evildoer by doing additional violence of our own!

First and foremost, in all things we must remember that we are all one being. The fact that someone has unfortunately taken an evil turn in this lifetime does not change the fact that he is a beloved child of God and equally a part of us all. And we do nothing positive if we answer his misguided violence with violence of our own, dear wonderful Awakening - while if we are able to answer his violence with patient love and understanding, we might be able to soften the evildoer's heart (there are lots of instances where this has happened) and add to the spiritual advancement of us all!

[Annie]

Awakening, I don't really think killing in self-defense is inherently wrong on a spiritual level. I don't even think I'd feel very guilty for it during my lifetime. I just have no idea how I'm going to look at my life when I'm dead from an afterlife perspective during a life review and things like that.

What I really want is to not have to deal with too much karma and to avoid having to reincarnate again. I want to just advance as much as I can in this lifetime to avoid feeling like I have to do it all over again because I made a mistake. Carol and Mikey say that these people have that strong desire to reincarnate and I don't want to feel like that, I'd rather just sit back and enjoy the Summerland.

I'm not saying that everyone should agree with me though, in fact I don't even know if I'm right. Maybe I would feel perfectly justified if I was in a situation like that. It might even be a good lesson in self forgiveness that would help me advance a lot after I die, who knows? I don't really have a black or white, concrete opinion on it because it's one of those situations where I see both sides of the coin.

Roberta, we posted at the same time. I think what you said is great, I don't know if I'd be able to give someone my car with my blessing but at the same time, I don't think I'd kill over it. But you can bet I'd call the police! Someone broke into my house once and stole some painkillers...I wasn't upset that he took them, just freaked out that he was in my house. Fortunately, he was caught and I felt a lot better for that.

[RudeAwakening]

I agree with everything you said there Roberta - except for the part about letting them slap the other cheek.;) I would retreat if possible, wound if possible – but would not take the chance that merely wounding them could result in the eventual success of their original intent.

I think it’s wonderful that the evidence supports the teachings of Jesus but the facts are that people associate Jesus with religion, regardless of the reality and once his name is mentioned the people we’re trying to get through to stop listening, they don’t hear another word. I’m sorry to say this, but my POV if we want to get the science types to listen to the evidence we need to stop talking about Jesus. I’m sure he’ll understand.

[Andrew]

Dear Rude Awakening, It is my opinion that we should speak the truth and not leave anything out. So, if that truth includes Yeshua, then I intend on speaking about him! After 2,000 years, it's finally time he got some recognition! If you ask me, if we are going to tell people the truth, we might as well tell them the whole truth. It makes more sense that way. Maybe fewer people will believe us, but all will happen in due course! It is actually pretty much impossible to present a complete case for the afterlife with spending some time on Yeshua. He is included in Your Eternal Self and in The Fun of Dying.

Besides, I think that there are more Christians or semi-Christians than pure scientific types, so it would be easier to convince them if they were given someone they relate to (or at least think they do).

I too agree with everything Roberta said, except the wounding. I don't think that, unless there were actually children in the situation, that could go as far as to wound. I'm really a very passive person I guess :).

Don't worry, my friend! When the time is right, the people will know the truth!

[RudeAwakening]

I’m with you Annie on all that stuff. I sincerely wish to get through this life without ever hurting another person. I don’t have a strong fear of not being able to forgive myself for certain things that I see justified on this end though. I go out of my way to be a good person and kind to others and just don’t see the need to let people take advantage of that.

I know Roberta said we see it so much differently over there, but I can’t help the way I feel. I’m not going to let them slap the other cheek, I’m going to give them a serious look and be done with them if they try to take another swing. We may be all one being but this part of that being isn’t going to let the others dump on her if I can help it. I get that we need to do our part to raise the spiritual consciousness, given that we are aware, but I tend to limit the self sacrifice to what I’m willing to do rather than what others think I should do. I’m not capable of loving my neighbor as myself, I don’t pretend to be.

[RudeAwakening]

Vita, I understand Yeshua is a big part of the afterlife evidence. When dealing with an atheistic science type, I'm just not going to lead with it is all. I understand how you feel but I'm not as optimistic as you when it comes to things like - everything happening in due course and when the time is right the people will know. Again, that sounds like religious rhetoric to me. I'm a believer and my mind closes off to that sort of "faith"

With people that are into religion, the after life's evidential compatability with Jesus is the first thing I point out, in order to keep their interest, with a science type I wouldn't dream of mentioning it. I'm still thinking about those fliers and planning to do that when I have the time and there won't be anything about Yeshua on those fliers, I want them to appeal to the broadest demographic I can and I don't think including Jesus's name on them is the way to do that.

When I'm ready I'm going to approach Roberta and others on it, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct in limiting my approach to exclude anything remotely associated with religion.

[Roberta Grimes]

Dear Awakening, I love your energy and your enthusiasm! By all means, follow your own best instincts in discussing the afterlife evidence with others - and if you think that scientific-minded folks wouldn't be impressed by seeing the evidence corroborated by Yeshua, then don't mention that detail. I love the fact that you are still thinking about putting a flier setting forth the truth into literally every hand in America, and maybe every hand in all the world! That's a wonderful ambition, dear Awakening, and bless you for wanting to do it. If I can help you in any way, please let me know!

... From my own perspective, though, I just want to say that I consider Yeshua to be not a religious figure. God is not a religious figure, either! But rather, God is the elemental energy of reality - the only thing that is real - while Yeshua is a powerful eternal being who came to the world's first strong monotheists with a powerful message meant to help them build on their great insight that God is One so they could better understand what is actually going on. I consider Yeshua's words as we have them preserved in the Gospels to be scientifically important! He told us things 2000 years ago about God, reality, death, and the afterlife that we could not have confirmed by any other means until at least the 20th century. The odds against chance for so many correspondences between the words of someone who lived 2000 years ago and the modern afterlife evidence are nearly incalculable, and that is strong scientific evidence that the afterlife revealed by the evidence is real. Do you see the difference? We aren't saying that Yeshua's testimony should make the evidence more acceptable, but rather we are saying that if we had the preserved words of anybody who had lived 2000 years ago and claimed to know what really is going on and those words had agreed so precisely with modern afterlife evidence, then that would have given us statistical confirmation of the veracity of the evidence every bit as conclusive as Yeshua's testimony. A lot of scientific conclusions are based on just such otherwise-impossible "coincidences"!

You are right, dear friend. Just saying "Jesus" to a scientist may be a bit like waving a red flag at a bull - and if you want to use a different approach, then you certainly should do what feels right to you. As for me, though, I am rather fond of waving that amazing, unbelievable red flag ;-)!

[RudeAwakening]

Roberta I totally get it, I’m a flag waver too, been waving them for a long time. I don’t blame you for wanting to wave this particular flag.

On the after life issue, my idea is to get past our individual or group perspectives, try to bridge that divide. Yeshua and God are religious figures to most people regardless of how we individually perceive the evidence that so few are aware of. And I, like many people, find organized religion somewhat offensive. I’m immediately turned off by it because of how it’s affected my life and that aversion is incredibly wide spread, especially on the west coast and among younger generations. All we have to do is look at the suffering and evil committed in the name of faith based religions over the centuries to understand how people feel and why they shut down at the mere mention of anything associated with religion.

The fact that the evidence supports the teachings of Yeshua is really terrific, but does that really help our case with the growing aversion to faith based beliefs? Not to mention the rest of the world’s religions that don’t recognize Jesus. It’s like saying Jesus is right and your god isn’t real. In my opinion only we are alienating the people we’re trying to reach with this evidence. How much arm twisting is needed to convince people that already worship Jesus? I personally have an enormous amount of faith because I’m as much a part of that world as I am of this one, but with my background as an agnostic and a victim of organized religion I know how people view the bible beaters. I’m not putting you or anyone here in that category, merely pointing out that in order to get around the black and white of the issue we need to put aside out personal perspectives.

The fliers are coming, I just don’t know when. I’m busy right now and not ready. I need the input of the experts on the evidence and advice on the wording, legal implication etc. Don’t get me wrong guys, we’re on the same side, I just hate religion and their sanctimonious, hypocritical bullxxxx. Our goals are the same.

With ever increasing awareness and mostly love in my heart
RudeAwakening

[Andrew]

I understand what you are saying, dear Awakening. I certainly agree with you about religion - although I don't hate it, it is really getting in the way of spiritual development! Things would be a lot simpler without it. I think we have to accept though that there are some people who just won't change - namely the die-hard atheists and the die-hard fundamentalists. Most people though, if they could see the evidence, probably would begin to shift their views on the subject. There is so much evidence! Like Roberta said on our show this week - we can find out as much about the afterlife as about a foreign country we are planning to visit.

I think the target for this information should be people who aren't too far on one side or the other. The easiest people to convince would probably be non-practising/non-devout Christians (statistically most of America) and Muslims. With them, you could actually mention Yeshua because obviously Christians worship him, and Muslims also have great respect for him. Their faith teaches that he is the servant and messenger of Allah, although they reject that he was ever crucified and believe that he was taken up into heaven by Allah. Anyway, do you see what I'm saying? A lot of people will see the truth, so we should focus on getting the message to that group of people.

I'm with you about the suffering caused by religions as well, dear friend. Most religions are rooted in times of violent dictators and frequent power shifts. There's really no point in blaming that on modern people's problems with religion though. Yes, the Church has been known for violence and corruptness for centuries, but that really has nothing to do with people's problems with religion now, I think anyway. If you ask me, people don't believe in religion as much anymore because we are raised in a society that is dominated by atheistic scientists, who cannot comprehend the fact that science and God can co-exist. We are raised now to believe that the stories in the Bible are just stories. Before, children were told under no uncertain terms, that God existed. Religion is sort-of viewed now as wishful thinking. I mean, you never hear people say "I can't stand religion because of the Crusades." Normally they say something like "because it's not logical."

Plus, when atrocities were committed in the name of religion, religion was just an excuse. The corrupt Popes and church leaders of the name were interested in getting lands, power, and money - all earthly things. The only possible exception to that is burning heretics at the stake, because in that case they really felt as though they had to do that for God. Most wars and stuff like that though had nothing to do with religion at all.

Wow, I'm really going on and on over here. Anyway, the point is that I agree that religion should be left out of flyers, but I wish that people could see the name Jesus without thinking of the Church.

[RudeAwakening]

The fire and brimstone, anti abortion, anti gay, anti everything, bible thumping zealots in this country still cause a lot of problems though Vita. They lobby excessively to restrict the freedoms of others. I wasn’t aware that Yeshua was a fixture in the Muslim religion however, I admit to being poorly informed about the beliefs of many of the world’s religions.

I only know how sick to my stomach I get when I read the words “ever heard of the bible” in response to every controversial human rights issue we currently face. I’m repulsed and frightened by the ignorance that continues to thrive in this century. I think people still have plenty of reasons to fear fundamentalist religions.

Thanks for the effort you put into your explanations. I agree that the evidence relative to Yeshua is hugely significant for the reasons both you and Roberta state. When appealing to the masses however, I’m glad you agree that it should take a back seat in order to get the attention of a population already negatively saturated with Jesus and religion. No doubt many followers will be pleasantly surprised to find how much the evidence supports their own beliefs.

[Andrew]

Your right, Awakening, there are still quite a few problems with religion. I notice your speaking specifically about Christianity, but I think that all religions have similar problems. The two things I agree with the Catholic Church about are anti-abortion and anti-death penalty. Those actually do serve a spiritual purpose, but I have no idea why they insist on the stuff like anti-same sex marriages. Why can't they just let people do what they want? They don't have to do partake in it.

I wasn't trying to say that you were uniformed about the world's religions when I mentioned the Yeshua/Muslim relationship, I just wanted to state that it might be helpful if you ever plan on sending flyers or something to Muslim areas of the country (US). They don't actually worship Christ, but they sort of see him as a prophet I think - like Christians see Moses.

Good luck with your idea, dear friend!

[RudeAwakening]

Really good show tonight guys! The information about induced afterlife communications and also the stuff about remote viewing and Unity churches - really informative show. That one would be an especially good one to have played on some of these talk radio stations around the country. We've got one here in Vegas that talks about "controversial" subjects related to spirituality, aliens, religion, all that stuff. Of course it airs about 2:00 am. I'm getting so impatient for people to learn about this.

[Andrew]

Thank you, dear Awakening! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[papajohn]

Hey Vita and Roberta. Very good show last night. Craig Hogan was very inspiring. Did I understand this right? The technique called EMDR that is used by some psychotherapist, is the same technique used in "Induced after death communication" by someone like Dr Allan Botkin??? Or did I misunderstand Craig Hogan. Anyway I agree with Awakening,I would love to hear Vita, Roberta and Craig on an in your face radio talk show together. Something like Coast to Coast AM. Just think how many more people would hear about this forum with that exposure :)

[Andrew]

That's how I understood him as well, Papajohn. I haven't read the books though, so maybe Roberta knows more about this.

I too would love for the forums to be advertised on a major radio show - it would really spread the truth!

[vic smyth]

I've read "Induced after death communication" by Dr Allan Botkin. He uses EMDR. The book covers how he stumbled upon this while working at the VA hospital with Viet Nam war vets. Fascinating story, especially because it comes from "scientist" who was not afraid to follow the data regardless how weird it seemed to him!

[papajohn]

Good stuff Vic. Good information. Thanks.How about this. Does he tweak it from its original purpose or design or is the same technique used since its inception? I know someone who is about to try EMDR for PTSD. Is it possible he may have an experience with the afterlife if he or the therapist is not aware of these findings?

[Andrew]

Thanks for the info, Vic! Papajohn, yes it is possible (and perhaps even likely) that your friend will have a communication experience whilst trying this therapeutic technique. That is actually how this whole thing started - people were using EMDR for relieving pain, stress, and disorders (such as PTSD) began reporting having delightfully warming experiences during the procedure, where they were able to communicate with people in the afterlife. After that, people began using EMDR to induce communication. This is another or countless examples of major afterlife-related discoveries that happened "by accident". :)

[vic smyth]

From the book I read, Botkin used a standard EMDR process to help a person work through their grief. A few Viet Nam vets told him that during the EMDR session they "saw" the deceased person that they had an issue with, and that the deceased person, in general, told them that they were forgiven and that they should go on with their lives. Botkin said that most of the vets made a complete recovery after having the ADC, and were able to lead normal lives, something that rarely happened with PTSD. One time another psychiatrist was sitting in on one of Botkins sessions. The patient claimed to have an ADC, describing it in detail. After the session was over, the other psychiatrist said that they were also affected by the EMDR and had the exact same ADC at the exact same time that patient did!

[Andrew]

That's exactly what R. Craig Hogan said last night during our interview. It really is amazing!

[papajohn]

Thanks guys. I will let you know what happens if EMDR is used. One more thing. Do You think the patient and therapist should both be aware of this phenomenon first? Or maybe just the patient? Or let it play out? I can't imagine the therapist knows of Allan Botkins or any of his works.

[vic smyth]

Thanks guys. I will let you know what happens if EMDR is used. One more thing. Do You think the patient and therapist should both be aware of this phenomenon first? Or maybe just the patient? Or let it play out? I can't imagine the therapist knows of Allan Botkins or any of his works.

There are therapists who have been trained by Allan Botkin. EMDR is widely used for grief therapy, but its use to induce an ADC is probably not used outside of Botkin and those he trained, primarily because most psychologists do not believe in ADCs. I would imagine that most therapists would discount an ADC as wish fulfillment by the patient. Few are bold enough to look into it further like Botkin did.

Botkin's office is minutes away from me, I believe in Northbrook IL. He charges $600 for 3 1-hour visits to do an IADC, which is very reasonable. I've been tempted to try it but since I'm not greiving over anyone's death I'm not sure that as a curiosity seeker that I'd get much out of it. If I did lose someone dear to me he's the first person I'd go to.

Papajohn, how've you been?

[Carol and Mikey]

Today is the 4 year anniversary of Mikey's passing into Heaven. I would like to share the Memorial I put in the St.Paul Pioneer Press paper today for our precious son!

It has been four years since you passed into Heaven.
And we can say we have come a long way.
Though you are physically gone from our sight,
we feel your presense everyday.
Our connection is strong and it can't be denied.
You've made it clear to us all
that your love is at our side.
Heaven is a loving dimension that wraps around the earth.
Are you open to seeing it? Can you feel it?
It's like a new birth!
We have gone from believing to knowing what is true:
that one day we will all be united in God's love and light with you!
Thank you for guiding us and helping us everyday!
We love you so!!

We are doing a ballooon release tonite with family and friends in his honor. You never know, you might see a white balloon with a note flying your way! Thanks for being with us on the Forum!
Carol and Mikey in "Spirit"

[Birki]

Today is the 4 year anniversary of Mikey's passing into Heaven. I would like to share the Memorial I put in the St.Paul Pioneer Press paper today for our precious son!

It has been four years since you passed into Heaven.
And we can say we have come a long way.
Though you are physically gone from our sight,
we feel your presense everyday.
Our connection is strong and it can't be denied.
You've made it clear to us all
that your love is at our side.
Heaven is a loving dimension that wraps around the earth.
Are you open to seeing it? Can you feel it?
It's like a new birth!
We have gone from believing to knowing what is true:
that one day we will all be united in God's love and light with you!
Thank you for guiding us and helping us everyday!
We love you so!!

We are doing a ballooon release tonite with family and friends in his honor. You never know, you might see a white balloon with a note flying your way! Thanks for being with us on the Forum!
Carol and Mikey in "Spirit"

Carol, what a wonderful tribute! Mikey must love it. I know someone who may be passing today into sprirt. It would be wonderful if he would be greeted by someone as loving as Mikey.

[Annie]

Happy death day Mikey!

[Andrew]

I'd like to echo Annie: Happy death day, dear Mikey! The evidence tells us that the dead generally regard their death as far more important than their earthly birthday. It makes sense if you think about it - death is really is our birth into eternity!

[Annie]

Just listened to the latest show. Thank you Vita for doing this and for having Craig on there, he really is doing so much for the spiritual community. Very informative. I think he's right that the time will come where the afterlife and what it really is will become common knowledge. I agree with Vic...I want to try an after death communication but I'm also not grieving over anyone. If I did, I would definitely try it.

[vic smyth]

Vita (aka Andrew, or vice-versa), has made his radio shows freely available on iTunes. Though I haven't listened to them yet, I have found that if you have an ipod, subscribing to them via iTunes is quite convenient as new episodes get downloaded automatically. Great idea Vita! Maybe someday I'll surprise you guys and call in and ask one of my off-the-wall questions.

Carol, that was a beautiful poem.

With Lovingkindness,
vic

[Andrew]

Just listened to the latest show. Thank you Vita for doing this and for having Craig on there, he really is doing so much for the spiritual community. Very informative. I think he's right that the time will come where the afterlife and what it really is will become common knowledge. I agree with Vic...I want to try an after death communication but I'm also not grieving over anyone. If I did, I would definitely try it.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, Annie! R. Craig Hogan, like Roberta, is so full of wonderful knowledge that the world needs to know about - it really was a pleasure having him come on the show with us. I cannot wait for this all to become common knowledge either!

[Andrew]

Vita (aka Andrew, or vice-versa), has made his radio shows freely available on iTunes. Though I haven't listened to them yet, I have found that if you have an ipod, subscribing to them via iTunes is quite convenient as new episodes get downloaded automatically. Great idea Vita! Maybe someday I'll surprise you guys and call in and ask one of my off-the-wall questions.

Carol, that was a beautiful poem.

With Lovingkindness,
vic

Thank you for bringing this up, dear Vic. I had forgotten to post that here. It's funny - when I set up the iTunes account for the show, I didn't even realize that they downloaded automatically. It was an added surprise. Please feel free to call in! That is another thing I had forgotten to mention.

[Roberta Grimes]

Good stuff Vic. Good information. Thanks.How about this. Does he tweak it from its original purpose or design or is the same technique used since its inception? I know someone who is about to try EMDR for PTSD. Is it possible he may have an experience with the afterlife if he or the therapist is not aware of these findings?

As part of my general afterlife research I went to a Botkin-trained grief therapist three or four years ago, just to see what would happen. I needed to choose some dead loved one with whom to seek contact, so I chose my wonderful mother-in-law (who died in June of 2001). The induction process was easy and quick, and what happened immediately was tremendous grief! I was sobbing hysterically, even though I had hardly cried when she died (at 94). Suddenly I was deeper in grief for her than I can ever imagine being for anyone; and we were very close for many years, but she was forty years older and we had had plenty of time to say goodbye. Where all that raw grief came from I cannot imagine! As I settled down a bit, he did another induction, and as I closed my eyes I could see my mother-in-law and her second husband walking on a beach in the distance (they had lived in Rhode Island). The therapist thought that I should be able to get closer to them so he tried it twice more, but still they were at a distance. They smiled and waved, both young and laughing. He couldn't explain why I couldn't get closer to them, but for me it was enough. I left his office that day lighter by several pounds of grief that I hadn't known that I was carrying. It was very cathartic! But, boy does it work. It's amazing. And the technique that Rochelle Wright and Craig Hogan now use and teach is apparently even more effective!

[Annie]

That's amazing Roberta, I hope that more therapists will start doing this. Not only because it'll help the world become aware that the afterlife exists, but because it'll then be available to more and more people and will help them with their grief like it helped you.

[Andrew]

Wow, that really is an amazing process. The fact that such grief (that you didn't even know you had) could just be lifted so simply is absolutely incredible! I agree with Annie - I hope more therapists start to look into this!

[vic smyth]

...And the technique that Rochelle Wright and Craig Hogan now use and teach is apparently even more effective!

Hi Roberta, Could you provide some more info on this? Is it something that laypersons can do as self-help? I know that because of the grief that can come out of EMDR, people that are not trained in grief counseling are warned not to attempt to do EMDR.

Thanks for sharing your story,
vic

[Birki]

Hi Roberta, Could you provide some more info on this? Is it something that laypersons can do as self-help? I know that because of the grief that can come out of EMDR, people that are not trained in grief counseling are warned not to attempt to do EMDR.

Thanks for sharing your story,
vic

Not Roberta, but when I read a descripton of EMDR (I think on Wikipedia) it mentioned one of the techiques that can be used with it is "tapping". There is a self-help technique that uses tapping, called EFT (emotional freedom technique) which can quickly produce results, though I am not sure if it will help with a deep grief it can be used for a wide range of issues. I went to a short seminar to learn how to do it, but you can learn pretty easily on your own. The main website is at http://www.emofree.com/. There are also some YouTube videos, but I haven't watched them so I can't make any specific recommendations.

[Andrew]

This sounds very interesting, dear Birki! Thank you for posting it here!

[vic smyth]

Birki, Thanks for the info. There seem to be a lot of methods out there that have to do with somehow stimulating both sides of the body, shifting focus from side to side. I've tried a few and they really work like magic! I developed a web page based on Dr. William Bengston's cycling method (flipcard), and combined it with EMDR (pendulum) and Qi Gong for the eyes (infinity): cycling web page (http://vicsmyth.netne.net/cycle/). It has a similar effect for me.

When using any of these methods, if I get upset about something, rather than ruminating on it all day, I do one of these methods (I also do Shiatsu on myself) and within 15 minutes the emotions dissolve like a puff of steam! (Either it's the methods I use, or maybe as I'm getting older it's just short-term memory loss -- "doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice!" :)

Have a beautiful day,
vic

[Annie]

Just listened to the latest show and it was great as always! Thanks you guys for doing this. Roberta, you said something about people learning to play instruments immediately, but does this happen often, because I've heard a couple of seances from spirits who say that they're learning to do something and aren't good at it yet. One was trying to play the harp.

I also liked how you talked about people looking like they did in past lives, and people can still recognize you. I loved the anecdote about the blonde woman who was an African queen. I really really want to hear more about future lives in a seance, I haven't heard it yet but I keep looking on Leslie Flint's site for some spirit to describe it. I'll definitely let you all know if I do.

[Andrew]

I am glad you enjoyed the show, dear Annie! I don't know how freqeuntly people report being able to learn things immediately, but it seems pretty common. I read somewhere (or maybe a Roberta told me) that people can learn a lot more quickly because they don't have material brains. I would guess though, that this happens much more frequently on higher levels, so perhaps you are hearing people from lower levels (Level 3, for example). This is just my theory though. Maybe Roberta has some more information on this topic.

[Roberta Grimes]

Everything that I know about this is anecdotal. My favorite afterlife communications are those that came through deep-trance mediums early in the 20th century, and back then everyone was into classical music but also life on earth was a whole lot harder. Unless you were of the upper classes, you might not have had the luxury of learning to play the piano or the violin. So a number of those who spoke through deep-trance mediums would rave about how quickly they were learning to play the piano or the violin (or sometimes both at once!), and sometimes they even said that this famous composer or that one was giving them lessons (no way to know if that was true). We are told that in general learning anything in the Summerland is quick because the material brain actually interferes with learning and without it our learning is much speeded-up. My sense is that the learning is not instant, but if we apply ourselves there it can be rapid. Remember that without objective time, the lessons will seem to take a long time or just a little time depending on what the learner is expecting!

[papajohn]

Hey guys. Listened to your show last night. Roberta touched on the topic of possession. "man walks in a bar and picks up an earthbound spirit" So if that happens would you not need an exorcist. If not how does one rid him or herself of this "hitchhiker" and don't you think if this happens this would be a common occurrence ??

[RudeAwakening]

Hey guys. Listened to your show last night. Roberta touched on the topic of possession. "man walks in a bar and picks up an earthbound spirit" So if that happens would you not need an exorcist. If not how does one rid him or herself of this "hitchhiker" and don't you think if this happens this would be a common occurrence ??

Hi papajohn, Roberta discusses this quite a bit in an earlier thread or two. You can go back to my first few posts and check out her responses. She helped clear up a few of the unknowns about it for me after so many years. I figured out a lot of it myself given ample time with the "hitchhiker." What I don't know is if an exorcism would have worked, I probably thought it would then, but given it's an earthbound, no clue.

There are probably tons of drunks walking around with "a little friend." And lots of other people too. By far the majority of people never notice them. Apparently my "companion"
craved the spot light as much as it did the alcohol experience, because it made itself quite apparent to myself and others. It was a malicious piece of shxx and was trying to do harm. Apparently I'm supposed to forgive this scum.

Anyway, those posts will tell you everything else. You have to discontinue whatever behavior its seeking and trying to exploit such as alcoholism, violence, etc. Earthbounds probably contribute to much of the world's misery. How often do you hear a guy convicted of some violent crime such as killing his girlfriend say something like, "I was drunk or high and I don't know what came over me, I just lost it." I often wonder about those cases, these jerks can escalate whatever negative emotion you are feeling.

Sleep well - LOL I couldn't resist.

[Andrew]

Hi Papajohn! Here is what the evidence tells us about spiritual possession:

1. It does happen often:
I believe Roberta said this last night, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it is a common occurrence. That why it is important to be cautious. Getting drunk, high, or addicted to anything lowers your spiritual awareness level (presumably because it leads us to bad choices and/or makes us pay attention to some of the most unimportant material things). Especially in places like Vegas or Atlantic City, it is very easy to pick up earthbound spirits. So please be careful!

2. Exorcisms don't generally work:
Outside of the ones that Yeshua (and his apostles) did, I have never heard of an actual spiritual possession being helped by a Christian exorcism. Really, the only fool proof way to get the possessing spirit to leave you alone is to quit the habit that they are addicted to. Then they will go and try to find someone else who still shares their addicting. Maybe some exorcisms do work, but I don't think it's the way to go about it. The Catholic Church actually does sanction exorcism, but it's not practiced much anymore. I just wish that scientists would investigate this stuff so that people could get help when they realize this is happening to them.

[RudeAwakening]

Regarding rituals etc: Years after I had learned to tolerate the creep better, before I really quit regular drinking, I ran across a lady that taught me how to do spiritual cleansings with incense and prayer and other methods.

It wasn’t as threatening during that time of my life because of the tolerance I had built up, but when I would drink to excess I knew it was around, I could see it in my eyes. It was still up to no good and would escalate my consumption and obnoxious behavior and essentially harass me while sobering up and coming down. Even before the first beers of the day I knew the POS was lurking about, but it kept a lower profile mostly because I was practiced at ignoring it.

Anyway these cleansings would aggravate it and I could tell it didn’t like it but it was more of a mental struggle than a physical one. It just didn’t like me trying to push it by means of concentration, focus, prayer and so on. I think it did affect it because of the whole mind/power thing, but it would just lay low until I drank.

It’s been essentially gone now for quite some time, I’m not available to it, it can’t get close and I’m no fun for it anymore. Besides I would try to splatter its earthbound energy all over the cosmos if I thought a little intense concentration and visualization might mess with it.

[Roberta Grimes]

Hey guys. Listened to your show last night. Roberta touched on the topic of possession. "man walks in a bar and picks up an earthbound spirit" So if that happens would you not need an exorcist. If not how does one rid him or herself of this "hitchhiker" and don't you think if this happens this would be a common occurrence ??

Hello dear PapaJohn - it's good to see you, and thank you for listening! That show is all Vita's, but he kindly lets me participate. And we do have fun!

I concur with what both Awakening and Vita say here, but I want to add my own response too. Spirit possession is an ancient problem - it is mentioned in the Bible. Most people are immune, fortunately, since we have very strong natural spiritual defense systems that earthbounds cannot penetrate. Some out-of-body travelers who have visited bars or back alleys have said that as a person gets drunker or more high on drugs, you can literally see the glow which is their spiritual defense system (often called an "aura" because it can be seen by sensitives as a kind of halo around the body, and it presents in vibrant colors) begin to turn sickly-looking, fade, and grow patchy. Once such an intoxicated person gets close to passing out, and his aura is sufficient weakened, sometimes a nearby earthbound can be seen by the astral traveler to literally jump into the victim's body and disappear. Addicted earthbounds can't get their fix in any other way, so once they possess a living person they tremendously magnify their victim's cravings. Our own wonderful beloved Awakening was herself a victim of one of these entities, and she has recounted elsewhere how horrible the experience was and how she eventually evicted her possessor by ending her own relationship with alcohol. Such possessing entities could stay, of course, even after the alcoholic sobers up; but since their own cravings are so intense, they will give up and leave if they can no longer satisfy them. I want to stress that spirit possession is common! It should be suspected whenever someone drinks or uses drugs obsessively. My own father was apparently a victim - he had all the signs, but of course in childhood I didn't know what was going on - he had been drinking for my whole life. Eventually when I was eleven he quit cold-turkey, and almost immediately he became a different (and wonderful) person!

There is another kind of possession, too, which is apparently common but is not well understood. When someone is in the heat of battle and frightened and/or enraged, his aura can be weakened sufficiently to allow a similarly frightened and/or enraged being who has just been killed in battle to enter and possess his body. This causes a form of post-traumatic stress disorder, in which soldiers seem trapped in a war long ended and they sometimes spontaneously erupt back into battle and start killing even people that they love. Over and over again, we read about this or that former soldier who had been doing well but then suddenly up and started shooting at people - and no one, of course, understands the cause.

I agree with Vita that traditional exorcism probably doesn't work. These earthbound thugs aren't generally afraid of a crucifix! What does work is to get at the cause:

1) Addicts must end their addictions. There is no other way to evict a possessing addicted earthbound.

2) Victims of PTSD can often be helped by spirit depossession therapy. A therapist must patiently reach each possessing entity, one by one, and convince it that it is dead and urge it to look around for loved ones and go into the light. Since some soldiers will harbor a number of possessing entities, this can take time! Some Vietnam War veterans have been found to harbor a dozen or more dead soldiers, both American and Vietnamese... and once all of them were gone, even veterans who had carried these earthbounds for decades became permanently normal.

- Since mainstream science has no idea about the actual nature of reality, it is unable to offer any help to the possessed. That is yet another reason why the enlightenment of scientists cannot come soon enough!

[papajohn]

Hey good stuff guys. Wow RA,I was not aware of your situation. I tried to go back to your post but I couldn't find it. If you can, try to point to it for me. I'd like to read it.
Roberta growing up it the Vietnam era,I know many Vets of that war. Some of which suffer terribly from PSTD. How do you introduce someone to the possibility of spirit possession being the route cause all these years?

[vic smyth]

Gospel of Thomas Saying 35 (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas35.html):

Jesus says: "It is not possible for someone to enter the house of a strong man and do him violence if he has not tied his hands: <only> then will he plunder his house."

Through understanding, the devil is bound.

With Lovingkindness,
vic's myth

PS This is one of the 'authentic' sayings of Jesus that is well-attested, found in 4 out of the 5 gospels.

[Andrew]

Hmm, very true, dear Vic! You say there are 5 Gospels, so I assume you mean Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas. I'm curious though, have you ever looked into the others? I have only seen bits and pieces of the non-Biblical Gospels, although one of my favorites is the Gospel of Judas. It basically says that Judas didn't betray Jesus - he simply set things in motion for Jesus's death because the other apostles were losing faith. It tells that Judas was the only one who truly understood, but then hanged himself in guilt. I think that this is actually a plausible scenario, but it's hard to tell exactly what happened after all these years.

[RudeAwakening]

Hey good stuff guys. Wow RA,I was not aware of your situation. I tried to go back to your post but I couldn't find it. If you can, try to point to it for me. I'd like to read it.
Roberta growing up it the Vietnam era,I know many Vets of that war. Some of which suffer terribly from PSTD. How do you introduce someone to the possibility of spirit possession being the route cause all these years?

Papajohn, just click on my name in my last post, a short menu will appear, click on view forum posts go to the last page in that selection - you can tell by the date you are on the last page, or at the first post. It's in the "Impersonation thread", you can just click the blue link titled impersonation, it will take you right to it.

[RudeAwakening]

Gospel of Thomas Saying 35 (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas35.html):

Jesus says: "It is not possible for someone to enter the house of a strong man and do him violence if he has not tied his hands: <only> then will he plunder his house."

Through understanding, the devil is bound.

With Lovingkindness,
vic's myth

PS This is one of the 'authentic' sayings of Jesus that is well-attested, found in 4 out of the 5 gospels.

Vic, I'm curious how you personally interpret, in your own words, the bolded sentence and how you consider it relevant to the discussion?

[Andrew]

Hi Awakening! I realize this question is directed at Vic, but I just want to through my two cents in here. This is a metaphor and basically means "A possessing spirit cannot enter the body of a spiritually strong person, unless that person has made it possible." Yeshua was famous for teaching through metaphors, and this one is certainly true from what I have seen about spiritual possession.

[RudeAwakening]

Hi Awakening! I realize this question is directed at Vic, but I just want to through my two cents in here. This is a metaphor and basically means "A possessing spirit cannot enter the body of a spiritually strong person, unless that person has made it possible." Yeshua was famous for teaching through metaphors, and this one is certainly true from what I have seen about spiritual possession.

Yeah, I get that much Andrew. My question is a little more pointed. I wonder how that interpretation applies specifically to atheists or "spiritually strong" individuals in the heat of battle, more specifically war where spirits are more readily available, and also deeply spiritual or faithful people addicted to drugs, alcohol, sex, shopping, etc.

See, I think the thumpers consider themselves immune to such instrusion. And by that logic shouldn't all athiests be huge easy targets for these earthbounds and some priestly pedophile resistant because regardless of his unacceptable behavior he is spiritually strong?

I think it has more to do with one's defenses being down by whatever means, illness, grief, injury, fear, anger, drugs. Also weak minded individuals are most certainly easier to manipulate by these jerks. Here in Vegas I've seen first hand how the easily frightened and weaker minds handle being heavily inundated by this sort of activity, they can't hold a coherent conversation, they are terrified and can barely function.

You see where I'm going with this Vita?

[papajohn]

WOW!!!!! Awakening. I just went back and read your initial post. How you worked through that without any guidance, other than maybe your spiritual guides I guess,is amazing. Your story is mind blowing,but at the same time reassuring that these so called spirits can be overcome. Great post. Great story. Sorry for the pain it caused you.

Hey Roberta. How do you approach an individual with PTSD since 1969 from Vietnam,and tell him that a spirit from a dead soldier might have entered his body during a battle at DaNang or somewhere else in Nam, without totally freaking him out. To bring peace to someone suffering so long would be amazing,but couldn't this cause him more uneasiness. I even wanted to show him a you tube clip of Alan Botkin discussing ADC with Vietnam Vets and the Vets getting results from this,but I'm afraid that it wouldn't settle right with him thus giving him more anxiety. Looking for advise.

[RudeAwakening]

People go through a lot worse, but it was quite an ordeal and went on for a long time. I didn't realize it was feeding off the alcohol. By its actions it was clearly trying to push me over the edge. From what Roberta says we need to forgive spiritual trash like that, but it wasn't just out for the booze, it was trying to destroy me. It dug in its heels for a long time, long after I stopped fearing it. It just turned into a pissing match after while. The POS finally left. I don't think it's crossed over though, given what it tried to do I think it's mostly evil and afraid to cross.

[Annie]

Hi guys, I haven't had time to listen to the show yet (I will soon though) but I think it's great that you got rid of that spirit without any outside help, Awakening. Is it possible for post war veterans to get rid of their spirits on their own too? I just like to think that this could be one of those things we could do without outside help because since I'm sure therapists who have these kinds of skills are few and far between and therefore not accessible to everyone.

[Roberta Grimes]

Hey Roberta. How do you approach an individual with PTSD since 1969 from Vietnam,and tell him that a spirit from a dead soldier might have entered his body during a battle at DaNang or somewhere else in Nam, without totally freaking him out. To bring peace to someone suffering so long would be amazing,but couldn't this cause him more uneasiness. I even wanted to show him a you tube clip of Alan Botkin discussing ADC with Vietnam Vets and the Vets getting results from this,but I'm afraid that it wouldn't settle right with him thus giving him more anxiety. Looking for advise.

There seem to be several potential causes for any given case of PTSD, and some of them might have a combination of causes. The two most likely causes seem to be (a) the horror of going through horrendous events and witnessing tragedies and death, and (b) possession by the spirit of one or more soldiers killed in the fighting. I have a hunch that the quieter, shell-shocked kinds of veterans are victims of the former problem primarily, while those who are moody and prone to spontaneous violence may well have one or more possessing entities. I don't know how you talk with him about this, except to simply bring up the subject one day. You might begin by saying that you feel for your friend and you wish you could help him, and if he seems receptive you might then say that you have joined this forum where they have some interesting things to say about the causes and possible cures for PTSD. If he still seems receptive, you could then talk about Dr. Botkin's work, and about the fact that some veterans who are troubled by the feeling of still being at war have been found to be harboring one or more spirits of soldiers who had died near them in the heat of battle. If he still seems receptive, then tell him more! ... Otherwise, just bring up the weekend or something. Change the subject. When people are ready to learn, they become open to talking about these matters - and until then, there is little that we can do except to offer our love and our readiness to help.

[Roberta Grimes]

Hi guys, I haven't had time to listen to the show yet (I will soon though) but I think it's great that you got rid of that spirit without any outside help, Awakening. Is it possible for post war veterans to get rid of their spirits on their own too? I just like to think that this could be one of those things we could do without outside help because since I'm sure therapists who have these kinds of skills are few and far between and therefore not accessible to everyone.

I am sorry to tell you, dear Annie, that one reason why so few therapists offer spirit depossession therapy now is that most states have outlawed the practice. Regulatory bodies are ruled by traditional therapists, and for them this technique is just outside the pale! I have never heard of someone doing spirit depossession on himself, and I tend to think that it might be difficult. In theory, perhaps, a good friend could try it - especially one who is a bit psychic. The idea is to say to whoever is in this person's body that he is loved and all is well, but he is dead and he will be better off once he goes with his family. Then he should be encouraged to look around and try to spot someone he knows. People Who Don't Know They're Dead by Gary Leon Hill is a good resource on this subject; Healing Lost Souls by William J. Baldwin is an even better one. Dear friend, the fact that so many people are suffering this way and are being refused help is yet one more reason why the enlightenment of our scientific community cannot come soon enough!

[Annie]

That is so frustrating. I'm glad that Awakening managed to do it though, difficult though it was, because at least it means there might be some hope for everyone else. Still, I am appalled that this is outlawed. I can see it being maybe frowned upon, but outlawed just takes it too far.

[vic smyth]

Vic, I'm curious how you personally interpret, in your own words, the bolded sentence and how you consider it relevant to the discussion?

It is not possible for someone to enter the house of a strong man

Vita answered the question perfectly in post #103. In the original post there is a link to a page discussing other's views of this saying. It can be looked at two ways 1) Like Vita mentioned, we are the spiritually strong person, but our hands could be bound through giving into our self-centered desires or through our belief in and fear of malevolent earthbound spiritual beings (demons). Or 2) the demon is the strong person, who we need to bind through understanding.

I have never had any experiences with spirit possession, so I can't say that this applies to everyone. But it seems, if I recall what Roberta and Vita wrote, that malevolent earthbound spirits feed off of our fear. They bind us through our fear of them. We in turn can bind them through understanding that the only power that they have is the power we give them through our fear of them.

Our beliefs are very powerful. Some believe that we create our reality and our afterlife through our beliefs. It behooves us to choose our beliefs wisely. The prophet Zarathustra summed it up, "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds."

[RudeAwakening]

That was well said Vic. I am forced to agree with it for the most part. I do believe however there are innumerable variables that can come in to play where interactions between the living and earth bounds are concerned. Everything said by you and Roberta can certainly generalize it well enough.

What I have seen occur here in Vegas was a broader fear based application that included significantly more people than just myself. Under the right circumstances these creeps can grab a hold of people a little easier than some might think. Not necessarily possess, but harass, in some cases to the point of significantly reduced function. (It just occurred to me that it might have something to do with the electrical synapses in the brain, and their energy messing with it.) I’ve only seen it happen a few times, but if there’s enough general fear among a portion of the population the high number of earth bounds in Vegas could make a large number of otherwise oblivious people very uncomfortable.

So, I don’t necessarily think a person has to be a degenerate of some type or particularly cowardly in order to get pushed around by these creepy jerks. And while I wouldn’t wish it on anybody I’d be interested to know just how many strong men out there could comfortably tolerate a noticeable presence sitting on their chest while lying in bed. Fearlessness isn’t as easy as it sounds.

I do think people need to be very careful not to acknowledge any spirit, they can trick you.

[vic smyth]

So, I don’t necessarily think a person has to be a degenerate of some type or particularly cowardly in order to get pushed around by these creepy jerks. And while I wouldn’t wish it on anybody I’d be interested to know just how many strong men out there could comfortably tolerate a noticeable presence sitting on their chest while lying in bed. Fearlessness isn’t as easy as it sounds.

I do think people need to be very careful not to acknowledge any spirit, they can trick you.

You make two great points here. Having never been in that situation myself, I don't know how strong I'd be. And to think that I would be spiritually strong enough to be able to resist these forces would be just plain arrogance on my part. I certainly wouldn't dare them.

And, yes, I agree that even the benevolent spirits may be just as confused as we are, or maybe just in a mischievous mood once in a while.

I've enjoyed our exchange of ideas, thank-you, and have a beautiful day, :)
vic

[RudeAwakening]

Knowledge is certainly power in this area. With what we (meaning you and I and others) now know, I agree it’s extremely unlikely anything can get close enough. Not impossible however under the right circumstances, I am nearly certain of that. I’ve seen it happen. (I also believe humans in a weakened state, the mentally ill, severe physical illness and any number of other debilitating situations leave us vulnerable.)

I made many mistakes with this entity in my ignorance including daring it, acknowledging it, insulting it, fearing it and so on. Its presence showed in my green eyes, superstitious people in the bar I hung out in noticed it and could fee it and things snowballed from there. The town was smaller then, my area and bar was a smallish community, word and fear spread and things escalated. My creepy got stronger and I assume other creepies in the area joined the party. I’ve seen it happen twice after that as well.

A hundred year flood here produced the same affect on a larger scale. Of course we thought the veil between darker forces had thinned and would close eventually as it had before. Literally - dogs would howl, grocery stores, gyms, etc were noticeably deserted; and many of the people that were there were visibly distraught and had to make an effort to function normally. There were those that were clueless and people like me that were used to it, but even the seasoned vets had to concentrate to function smoothly. You can literally stop, as if dazed and confused. It’s really something to experience, but in no way fun.

As far as controlling the fear, no matter how strong a person is if the creepies are thick enough and strong enough they can buzz around your head like flies and restrict mental and physical function similar to being under the influence of certain drugs. The fear can be really hard to control, you know they can’t hurt you but the situation is just freakin’ scary. I don’t mean to frighten unnecessarily, but in the interest of description, you can feel the creepy in your room while you are trying to sleep and you know it wants to kill you. It takes some practice to overcome that, and it’s never comfortable but absolutely necessary to be as strong as you can. You need to starve the creature to get rid of it. (Note, I don’t care if it’s a human soul, if it’s trying to hurt me, at the time I thought it was a demon.)

Obviously the key is to keep them away and you are right, the more protected you are the easier it is to do that.

[vic smyth]

Turn your face toward the sun and the shadows will fall behind you.

- Maori Proverb -

[Carol and Mikey]

Mikey continues to tell me that loving energy will always win over negative energy. Loving "energy force" is much stronger. Love is the "strength" they ( negative energy) cannot win over. When spirits like this challenge, they use fear as their way of gaining "power". But love forces them to retract. Being loving in your "ways" can protect you from this type of thing occurring. These type of spirits like to hang in areas where love is not abundent. So it is best to avoid areas like this. Spirits like this can be scary to us, but know they have no power when it comes to love!
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

[Annie]

Love your answer Carol and Mikey, it's true that it's hard not to be afraid when you're faced with a negative spirit, but the human mind is a powerful thing and love always prevails.

And by the way, I watched the latest show. My favorite part was when you guys talked about Robert Monroe and how he could see what people were doing. How awesome would that be? Whenever the "what super power would you want to have" question comes up, I always pick invisibility, and this would be like having that!

[Roberta Grimes]

Mikey continues to tell me that loving energy will always win over negative energy. Loving "energy force" is much stronger. Love is the "strength" they ( negative energy) cannot win over. When spirits like this challenge, they use fear as their way of gaining "power". But love forces them to retract. Being loving in your "ways" can protect you from this type of thing occurring. These type of spirits like to hang in areas where love is not abundent. So it is best to avoid areas like this. Spirits like this can be scary to us, but know they have no power when it comes to love!
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

As always, Mikey is amazingly accurate! The afterlife evidence overwhelmingly indicates that the less loving and more evil-thinking or malevolent a non-material being is, the weaker it is. The weakest beings with which people have any interaction seem to be the shadow men, who lurk in the dark (often in bedrooms) and try to scare children and other susceptible people. They seem to feed on fear, but even a victim's fear doesn't help them much - they are utterly powerless. And turning on any kind of light makes them disappear altogether! Dear Carol, the more of Mikey's responses I read, the more convinced I become that indeed he is a powerful eternal being. He is genuine, and we are so blessed to have you both here ;-)!

Dear friends, Carol and Mikey will be guests on Andrew's show tomorrow (Tuesday, 10/11/11) at 6:30 U.S. eastern time. I can't wait to hear what they have to say!

[papajohn]

I have to say Carol you absolutely sound like a regular mom. Great show tonight Vita and Roberta .Very interesting.It's good to know,Carol, your relative that is a nun has an open mind. If you ever do any readings on this forum, Carol, let us know. There is someone I'd love to hear from :)

[Andrew]

It was a great show tonight! I'm aware that we were cut off slightly at the end. There is only about a minute that was cut off. If anyone wants to listen to that though, you can do so by listening to that episode again and skipping to the end. Blogtalkradio.com actually records up to 15 minutes after the scheduled end of the show.

[Carol and Mikey]

PapaJohn,
I am glad you liked the show. The majority of my posts are directly from Mikey. I guess that would be called a "reading". :) I am just a mom. I leave the other type of readings for a true medium. I have not done much of that and I really only talk directly to Mikey. I think my ability is more for teaching and giving hope to others that Heaven and Eternal Life is for real! You will see your loved ones again!!!! :)
If what I say has nothing to do with what Mikey has said, then I will sign off just as Carol. Whenever I put Mikey "in Spirit" down, then know the info is directly from him and I am just the typer! :)
Carol

[RudeAwakening]

Terrific show tonight guys. Carol, the value of what you and Mikey are bringing to all of us here can’t be calculated in my opinion. I know the affect it has on me and no doubt many, many others. It really is all so amazing. The part about the music signs made me tear up. It’s easy to understand how the sheer magnitude of some signs we get is really beyond the comprehension of many people to accept as anything but coincidence. I’ve been left in awe of it many times and thought I would share a few specific monster signs relative to my mother.

I’ll mention three big ones that are easy to understand and hard to imagine how they pull it off. All three of these signs have to do with 3 of the lunches I’ve had with mom’s best friend since she crossed over. We were sitting in the Marie Calendars less than a year after she passed when the piped in elevator music stops and Van Morrison’s 1964 rock and roll hit song "Gloria" starts playing. You know the one
that goes G-L-O-R-I-A – GLOOOORIA…….. Well now you know my mother’s name.

The last car my mother drove while on the earth plane was a Yellow Volkswagen beetle. I have it now. I need to elaborate a bit on the circumstances – Her friend and I went back to New York to Lily Dale so I could sit with 3 mediums about six months ago. How this came about was orchestrated like a symphony. This is where the car comes in. I meet the lady for lunch 8 months ago and we both notice a Yellow beetle in the small parking lot (not a common car) and I jokingly remark mom is joining us. During this lunch the name of the town Lily Dale comes out of this woman’s mouth, she had no prior knowledge I was planning a trip back there. Her sister lives 10 minutes away from Lily Dale, in Dunkirk – two months later we flew back there and stayed with her sister. It would have been a tough trip for me to make on my own. I had been thinking about the town not more than an hour before I met her for lunch.

A month after arriving home from New York, we meet again for lunch at a different restaurant - probably 8 miles away from the other. We exit the restaurant to find a different Yellow Volkswagen beetle parked in the space directly in front of my truck.

But hey, it’s all anecdotal and could all be coincidence. (Yeah right.) The song was cool enough but twice with the car, before and after the trip, was freakin awesome. It’s partially what convinced her friend to go to New York. How they pull that big stuff off is incredible to me. It’s no wonder the materialist monkeys can’t wrap their minds around that stuff.

[papajohn]

Hey Carol. I mean it, you sound like a regular mom. You are truly blessed to still have Mikey a big part of your life. Probably bigger now.Again, being a Catholic, I was very exited to know a Catholic Nun was influential in pushing you to see this through. There's hope :) You know as you continue on this journey you get kind of discourage and sometimes you hope some of the things you read here are for real. Then you think you believe the stuff here cause you want to cling to something. Then someone like you comes along and reminds me of all the signs I have received through the years. Songs that mean something,played at the perfect time. Numbers that show up randomly that are very significant. So thank you for that. I hope you and Mikey are in communication for a very long time. :)

[RudeAwakening]

It's real papajohn. The bottom line for many folks such as yourself seems to be seeing enough of it. So many have seen so much that we can accept it. Being agnostic years ago I could never have accepted the level of what I've been exposed to if it weren't for the magnitude of it. I make fun of the materialist perception, but I understand it, it just annoys me.

It's real brother. The numbers you mention are huge signs. I've been seeing numbers for years. When I'm supposed to see something I turn and stare right at it and it happens naturally. At this point I assume it's our guides? I don't understand it all by any means, but I know it's real. I've been staring at 747 for the last year or so. Years ago and I still see it often is 101 or 111 is associated with spiritual awakening. We are waking up.

[Andrew]

Hi Rude Awakening! In astrology, which I don't know very much about, 1111 or 11-11 is associated with spiritual awakening. I, too, often see elevens "randomly" on clocks, and it feels like their everywhere. I've read that is a sign that your guide is pushing you to grow spiritually. November 11th (11/11) is also my birthday. :)

[Annie]

I love the latest show, thank you Carol for going on there and sharing everything. I thought it was so interesting how you were told by a medium that it's because you were so forgiving about Mikey's death that you were able to communicate with him...it just goes to show how important forgiveness really is. Those signs you got are so amazing. We are so lucky to have contributions from you and Mikey on this forum. I love that you talk to him every day and that you can even hear him too at times. We're so blessed to have you guys here! And I do hope you'll go back to the show, we all love hearing from you. :)

[RudeAwakening]

Hi Rude Awakening! In astrology, which I don't know very much about, 1111 or 11-11 is associated with spiritual awakening. I, too, often see elevens "randomly" on clocks, and it feels like their everywhere. I've read that is a sign that your guide is pushing you to grow spiritually. November 11th (11/11) is also my birthday. :)

Hey Andrew, yeah the numbers are everywhere. Your birth date is no surprise. You are the real deal kid. I’ve got a lot of ones in my birth date as well. 101661. Check out the number on your post Vita, two 7’s and a 4. In other words, 747, looks like we’re about ready for take off.

I’ve got some business dealings under way, and if they come through I’m going to allocate 10% and a few hundred hours to those fliers. I’m tired of orthodox science telling me what’s real and what isn’t and PhD’s putting me down. I’m not as forgiving as many of you here, this is personal. Perhaps it’s a good thing that we have different approaches and some of us are a little more aggressive and less forgiving?

[Carol and Mikey]

Wow! Thank you so much for all the kind words! Believe me when I say, Mikey (in spirit) and I love being on this forum. I do feel so very lucky to be able to talk to my son! I thank God and Heaven everyday for this most amazing gift I got going! Some days I still cannot believe it. We want to help others in any way we can! I have to say I have gone from believing to knowing that God and Heaven is real and that one day we will be together again with our loved ones! And that includes our awesome pets!!! Mikey's big thing is teaching about love , kindness, and forgiveness. He loves being the big brother.....(he picked that up from Vic.) :) We will continue to do the best we can with giving information through the veil.
And pay attention to those signs out there!!! This is real stuff! It is not a coincidence. Love it! :)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

[vic smyth]

So every once in a while, maybe 3-5 times a year, I get a message in a dream that strikes me as significant. I can recall my dreams almost every night, most of them are just the usual brain farts. The significant ones usually don't let me go back to sleep until I write them down. I'm not going to go into the reason why I am posting this, let's just say that I feel strongly urged to do so.

"To allow us to fall without getting hurt."

It's most likely an answer to a question. Problem is I don't know for sure what the question is. Maybe you can help?

With Lovingkindness,
vic

[Andrew]

Hey Andrew, yeah the numbers are everywhere. Your birth date is no surprise. You are the real deal kid. I’ve got a lot of ones in my birth date as well. 101661. Check out the number on your post Vita, two 7’s and a 4. In other words, 747, looks like we’re about ready for take off.

I’ve got some business dealings under way, and if they come through I’m going to allocate 10% and a few hundred hours to those fliers. I’m tired of orthodox science telling me what’s real and what isn’t and PhD’s putting me down. I’m not as forgiving as many of you here, this is personal. Perhaps it’s a good thing that we have different approaches and some of us are a little more aggressive and less forgiving?

Wow, it's a good thing you saw the 474 (aka 747) before I posted again! I feel like I have been noticing more and more of these types of signs. Scientists would tell us that this happens because we expect it to happen and our brains are skilled at seeing/creating patterns. I've got no doubt though. I admire how committed you are to spreading the truth!

[Andrew]

I just saw a post here (http://afterlifeforums.com/showthread.php/321-Celebrations-and-Holidays-in-Summerland/page2) from Carol. It was posted at 11:11 PM! :)

[RudeAwakening]

Wow, it's a good thing you saw the 474 (aka 747) before I posted again! I feel like I have been noticing more and more of these types of signs. Scientists would tell us that this happens because we expect it to happen and our brains are skilled at seeing/creating patterns. I've got no doubt though. I admire how committed you are to spreading the truth!

Your post count was 477 in the same post you were describing the possible numerical significance of your birth date Vita. As far as posting times, like Carol's 11:11, that happens a lot on this forum, no surprise there. The spiritual juice on this forum is likely pretty potent I would think.

As far as science and their mind/pattern theories in this area they can bxxw me. My head randomely and abruptly turns 90 degrees (especially during times of high intensity, spiritual or otherwise) to see something in particular for no apparent reason other than to see the obvious sign. Awesome how that works.

For months during the worst of the attack from that earthbound I would wake up and roll over and stare at the digital clock almost every night at exactly 1:00, 1:01, 1:11. (not 1:03, 1:08, 12:59.) I took it as some kind of comfort during such a frightening time, as if a force opposing my tormentor was supporting me. I'm sure science has some bullxxxx explanation for that too.

My interest in spreding the truth is multifaceted. I obviously care about bringing this to people very much and I also want to see people like Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins (and a few others) eat crow while we are all still on the earth plane. I believe my annoyance with these pompous xxxxxx is as big a motivating factor for me. I've also got an old friend with too many initials after her name that I want to see the truth before we cross. So while some here may find me a bit abrasive at times, that mentality can be effective for all the right reasons.

[Andrew]

Hi Awakening! I, too, feel very strongly about getting the truth out to people and getting people to realize that just because someone with a degree says "It's science." doesn't mean it's true.

Personally, I feel more strongly about disproving religion than science. I understand that they can both be just as misleading, but there is something about religion (mainly Catholicism, no offense to any Catholics out there) that frustrates me. I think the reason for actually comes from a past life. I think I may have been a lutheran or an anglican during the breaks from the Catholic Church in the 1500s. I could write about why I think that forever, but I won't bore you with the details.

It's sad though, science is now just as bad as religion. They both reject anything strange or unfamiliar.

[vic smyth]

... but there is something about religion (mainly Catholicism, no offense to any Catholics out there) that frustrates me. I think the reason for actually comes from a past life. I think I may have been a lutheran or an anglican during the breaks from the Catholic Church in the 1500s.

Is this why you've reincarnated, to deal with (or forgive/let go of) this issue?

Forgive me if that sounds patronizing, it's my intention to share ideas, not tell anyone what they should or should not do.

With Lovingkindness,
vic

[Annie]

I think for me, the religions that irk me the most are the Southern Baptist/Evangelical types who try to mix religion and politics and cram their ideas down people's throats. Catholicism certainly has its flaws too, but I feel like it's become a bit more quietly spiritual and understanding in recent years and more about compassion than fire and brimstone. But it certainly has had a bloody, intolerant history.

[Andrew]

Is this why you've reincarnated, to deal with (or forgive/let go of) this issue?

Forgive me if that sounds patronizing, it's my intention to share ideas, not tell anyone what they should or should not do.

With Lovingkindness,
vic

No worries, Vic, it doesn't sound patronizing at all! Perhaps that is the reason why I am here. Who knows?

[Andrew]

I think for me, the religions that irk me the most are the Southern Baptist/Evangelical types who try to mix religion and politics and cram their ideas down people's throats. Catholicism certainly has its flaws too, but I feel like it's become a bit more quietly spiritual and understanding in recent years and more about compassion than fire and brimstone. But it certainly has had a bloody, intolerant history.

You have a point, dear Annie. Although they claim to be Christians, I feel that many Southern Baptists are possibly the most estranged people from Jesus himself. It's like Rude Awakening said somewhere - they are victims of their surroundings.

[Carol and Mikey]

Vic,
Here is the answer or message Mikey has for your dream you posted with the phrase that was said: To allow us to fall without getting hurt. We take on challenges with our life lessons. With these challenges we may fall. But know you achieve "advancement" when you do the best that you can. Love is always the best approach with life lessons.
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

[Roberta Grimes]

Carol and Mikey will be Vita's guests on Eternity For All Radio this Tuesday, October 18th, at 6:30 p.m. U.S. eastern time. They were fabulous last week - I hope that as many folks as possible will tune in this week!

[Annie]

Great show again, I just listened. I'm so glad that Carol met Roberta and that Roberta told her about this forum. When you think about it, it was all fate, I mean think of the odds...Carol, you had such a small chance of getting selected for that conference, and then to run into Roberta like that. I definitely think Mikey is guiding you to spread the truth about the afterlife. I also found it interesting, how you said that your husband and other son can't communicate with Mikey like you can. You truly have a gift, I know you don't think of yourself of a medium but I think you're a better medium than most of the phonies out there. Vita is right, you're not here to make money, you're here to spread this message and you've helped so many people with this. Thank you all for everything you do. :)

[Carol and Mikey]

Your welcome Annie. We just try to do the best that we can. I know all of this has happened for a reason. It is far beyond coincidence. Thank you for your support as well. :)
Carol and Mikey "in Spirit"

[Andrew]

Hi all! I have decided to create a monthly newsletter, starting in November, about the radio show. I'm probably going to include stuff like what guests are coming on the show and new features that we have. If anyone is interested in signing up (no pressure), just send me an email/private message on here with your email address and I'll put you on the list.

[Andrew]

Hi all! I just wanted to give you all an update about my radio show: This Tuesday, Roberta and I will be discussing the nature of God. If that sounds like something you would be interested in listening to, you can do so here (http://blogtalkradio.com/eternityforall).

Also, I think I mentioned this above but, I am starting a monthly newsletter about the radio show and other afterlife stuff. If you'd like to sign up, you can do send me a private message with your email address, or send it to me here (http://www.eternityforallradio.com/newsletter.html) from my website.

Thank you all for your support!

[Roberta Grimes]

... And let's add the fact that this thread will no longer be a "sticky" at the top of the category, as of today. Vita will have a new "sticky" thread for Eternity For All Radio, and I will have my own new "sticky" for all the speaking engagements that I have upcoming. We're just trying to stay organized ;-)!